| From what I currently know about the new series, its suppose to be a retelling of the original? If I already seen the original, should I just skip this new one or watch it and be severely disappointed? |
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| It's up for you to decide tbh. If you watch and like it, keep watching. Seeing the show will give you a better idea of its quality than looking at what other people gave it. 7.7 is actually pretty good for a currently airing show. |
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| Because it's weaker than the previous show. Anything can happen in the next 10 episodes, but episode 2 was the easiest to compare to the previous show and it did a really poor job covering the story. |
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vansonbee said: If I already seen the original, should I just skip this new one or watch it and be severely disappointed? I am one of people who like the original but not disappointed by this adaptation.. Yeah, maybe I agree that the original is still better so far, but it's mainly because of great stories in the original had when this new adaptation only has 2 episodes yet.. First episode is really good in my opinion (I already get used to Kino's story telling style after all) and second episode is also quite fine (Story in this episode was also adapted in the original. When this story took 2 episodes in the original, this adaptation shorten it to be only 1 episode just like other stories.. I like it because I was not a fan of this 'special' (because other episodes only had 1 episode each) story in the original ... |
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| Fanboys want this to be the exact same thing as before, with the same characterizations and nuances, which is obviously impossible. |
| It's not exactly a retelling, but it does readapt stories already done by the 2003 version. Because of the easiness of comparing the same stories, as well as the series having a bit of a cult following (for lack of a better term), it's very tempting to be critical of the newer series. The 2017 version is...certainly different, but I'm still willing to watch the whole thing. I'm just grateful that we're still getting more Kino, regardless of my thoughts on it. |
| I looked up the older one, and yeah, this is simply better animated and more clearly presented. So yeah, I agree with a5ch greatly here. It's the same kind of reason that Megaman 8 wasn't well received, because the existing megaman fanbase was expecting 8-bit games. Anyone jumping into Megaman 8 as their first megaman game was probably fine with it (except for the annoyingly fast snowboard sliding jump stages - everyone hates those). Shovel Knight was well received, because it completely caters to its intended fanbase by design. |
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| Because this is not an edgy story or cute girls doing cute things. Simple as that. |
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| This version pacing is too fast. Also Skipping through all the lore. |
| Probably because the atmosphere of the original is better than the new one, other than that I think the story in both didn't really degrade and I think episode 2 wasn't really readaption technically it is but it's more of an episode to reintroduce one character that may reappear in the series. Collosseum had 2 episodes in the original but got downgraded to 1 in the new one which turned off a lot of people but other than that the episodes have been solid |
| We can agree on the fact that, taste might be declining as each year passes by. We can at least extrapolate, using the year of Kino no Tabi(2005-ish version) and the Kino no Tabi(2017) the rate of change per year. I'm assuming that, also there's outside influence too; like take fanservice for example, in how it does affect a series' standing on MAL. We take a look closer(not that I would do it), I'm sure it is not about the deep content are lacking, but how the fanservice in the series is lacking; thus affecting the score of the series. |
| Because people think this version is readapting the one of 2003, which is not true. Take the Colosseum arc and see all the comments who blame the show for leaving aside the king's and the citizens' stories which are not in the LN because 03's version changed its message. A lot of users get to know Kino thanks to the 03's version, so their image of what Kino is supposed to be is based on this version, that's why they didn't like some changes. Interview: Keiichi Sigsawa said: Is there a message you would like to give the fans in regard to the upcoming anime? The anime's relationship with my stories will be the same, since I do all the checks for the story's scripts. The only thing that's different is that production has been modernized. The animation style is more updated, which is what fans can look forward to most. Same Kino stories, new look. @vansonbee Anyway, you should give this version a try and see for yourself. |
| Some people just can't deal with the facts and don't like it because people want it to be as good as the original. I still like the 2017 version a lot. It's different if it comes to atmosphere but I like it. |
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| My personal view is that it's too early to tell what the final ratings will be. I was not a huge fan of the art and animation in the 2003 series, but I loved the music and the stories were fantastic. There's a good reason that the original is revered. It's an absolute classic and is unforgettable. (And if I'd dropped it early because I didn't like every single aspect of the show then I would have missed out on an experience that I will never forget. It's that damn good). As for this reboot, I strongly prefer Kino's character design, which is more faithful to the LN illustrations. I generally prefer the art and animation over the original, aside from some irritating CGI crap. But, as for the quality of the actual stories, we'll just have to see. I will, however, say that I haven't been nearly as impressed by the episodes so far when I compare them to the original. Needless to say, I'm just thrilled to have more Kino no Tabi to enjoy, and even if this series doesn't eclipse the original, it'll still be one of the best shows of 2017 without any doubt. |
delta5Oct 20, 2017 1:09 PM
| I would rather say, that this adaptation loses a lot to the 2003 in terms of identity. It's not like the series originally were a masterpiece of something, but 2003 had those gloomy visuals, weird camera angles, charming opening and some other small things, which were adding a lot to the show's atmosthere and dare I to say it's soul. New adoptation is defenetly decent, but it feels tasteless compared to 2003. |
| The rating of a show while it's airing is never accurate. It's rare for an airing show to start out with an 8.00. |
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| It doesn't have the stoic ambiance of the original series, and I think most fans of the old show were really hoping for that. Kino's Journey had a way of keeping all of the important lessons implicit and unspoken. It was a smart show. In its own right, the new version is not bad at all, it's just not doing what the original show did. I'm still enjoying it, but it's not smart like the old Kino's Journey. |
ghoulcustomerOct 20, 2017 6:12 PM
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| I think it's partly because the 2003 version has this reputation for being a "masterpiece", so most people who watch it tend to conform to the idea and rate it highly. And those who come in to the 2017 version thinking it is a remake of the 2003 anime (and definitely not a different adaptation of the original light novels), seeing that it's nothing like their beloved show, drop their ratings. I'm willing to bet that if the 2003 anime did not exist for comparison, this would have been given higher ratings. Anyways, I'll rail and rant if this has a rating below 6, but 7.7 isn't that bad. This adaptation clearly isn't trying to make a "philosophical" masterpiece out of the straightforward and unpretentious storytelling of the light novels, and I like it that way. |
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| for me it's by the simple fact that this is a remake, but for me this version is far better, I didn´t think it could be better, but this is the proof |
| Nostalgia came and conquered. But seriously, it's probably because of the generic design, athmosphere, and the director (which kinda pissed people off) Yet, as much as it loses to the original so far, I don't think it actually deserves that low of a rating. It's actually pretty decent so far as a recent anime. |
| *Screaming autistically through the screen* |
| I'm only watching the original because of this remake coming out, and personally, I don't really see why either. The mood feels a lot different on virtue of the art though. But I don't think I'll compare until all of this has come out though, but I think by the end, I won't feel the need to compare them anyway. Although for sure, the remake seems more skin and bones than the 2003 version yet for some reason, I'm connecting with it more. Although I did also like the less linear feel of the original too. Argh... I dunno xD (ends up comparing anyway). We'll just have to wait and see. |
| I did not watch the original yet. Not sure if worth it But one thing I can say is that new anime has better more colorful visual and Kino looks much cuter and better. . I've download the 1st two episode from original just to see how it looks, but I don't know if worth watching it if the story is same |
| I haven't watched the original one, but ever since I found out that this is a remake, I somehow understand the disappointment of the fans of the original. I mean most remakes of anything ever will most likely disappoint the fans of the original. But when it comes to this remake, I'm honestly enjoying this version of Kino no Tabi. I might watch the original one, though. |
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| The orignal didn't have as great animation and visuals and there were some ups and downs but the sense of weirdness, the ambience - the focus felt slightly less as if it were on Kino and more on this sense of strange fairytale like quality of the countries Kino visited, which made it stand out. I've read the light novels. Yes, the remake follows it pretty well in terms of story. I like that we have the remake, I still enjoy it, I can appreciate some of its aspects and I'd like to see how it plays out before I give it a rating but despite that it doesn't seem as innovative in its execution, which is the reason why many loved the original in the first place. Whether it's the music, the angles, I don't know. |
BunnyflowerOct 21, 2017 10:05 PM
| I only caught glimpses of the original way back when it was released, so I decided to rewatch the 2003 series right before starting this. The original has a better vibe and consistent themes. Episode 1 of the 2017 series is pretty similar to the narrative style of the original, so no complaints. But episode 2 was a terrible remake of the original's adaptation. In the original, Kino's motive for entering the coliseum and his reasoning for the resolution was much better elaborated. Here, it seems like Kino just upped and decided to take revenge for all the misinformed travelers who died in the matches, which makes it really hypocritical of her to tell the prince that "revenge is lame". But even more embarrassing is that the fight scenes in the 2003 version looked better than this adaptation. Fake-Kefka also looks better than Generic-Tyrant, IMO. |
CrossburnOct 22, 2017 11:53 AM
| biggest factor would be a lot of ppl are more eager to follow airing anime over older ones, and if someone is watching older one, its more likely he is interested in the series and its hes thing. I didn't watch older one though-> was interested to try it out at one point, but now that i got remake i'll be just following this one. |
| Because it is shit compared to the original. |
| Jojolion anime when? |
| Because they don't have the same staff that worked on the previous 2003 Kino |
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| So far it has been worse, but worse doesn't mean bad. It's in part an aesthetic consequence, since we don't have the style of the original (which can't be replicated easily either way) and in part expectations factor in. A lot of the criticism it gets in terms of visuals and music is easily agreeable, however I take the ones about the narrative with a grain of salt. One of the main complaints about episode 3 is that Kino broke her "3 day rule", which is ridiculous for so many reasons. One of the main complaints about episode 2 is that it is not the same as the Colosseum arc from the old Kino, which directly falls under the umbrella of false expectations. I do agree with many issues people point at but it doesn't help the case when these arguments are made because it shows how much the concepts introduced by Kino 2003 have permeated and how little space there is for viewing this work as the standalone approach it intends to be. |
| I had expected ti to be higher. I don't know the old series. But the new series seems to have better visuals and about the similar chars and stories. And if you consider a lot of old fans are watching the ne series ... But then again there might be lots of new people that never watched the old series and scoring it without a hype-bonus. I am one of these. Watched 2 episodes so far. The main char is boring ... even annoying and the episodic stories feel badly written. (Especially episode 2, episode 1 was a bit better.) Going to watch episode 3 and then dropping it but I guess I'll score it 6 or 7 because of the nice visuals. (Chardesign and backgrounds are nice.) But since I even start to hate the main char I can't go higher and if the episodic stuff were better it probably would never be higher than 8 without a better main char (more background story and stuff). |
| Because of the lack of Nakamura (;_;). Simple as that. |
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| They are haters, ignore them. This is in no way shape or form bad. It's actually VERY GOOD, especially for today's standards, but the original is just that much better. :) |
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| Because of the elitists. |
| It's just not as good as the old one, honestly. I do enjoy the improved artwork but there are just so many things I dislike about this remake. EP1: Not awful but a clear change of pace from the original series. And not a good change. EP2: Just a butchered remake of the colosseum arc. Zero character development, lore building, etc. Honestly one of the worst episodes of anime I have seen in a long time, hands down. EP3: A step up from the previous episodes. The sniper scene was goddamn awful and the negotiation scenes were also pretty bad. Although the themes of this episode were more in line with old Kino's Journey, albeit executed poorly. |
| Episode 2 ^^ was best episode so far out of the 3 I watched in my opinion. I did not watch the original show, but from what I read in the discussion forum the remake was more faithful to the LN. The 2003 version added stuff that was not in LN for the colosseum arc |
| It's not bad, but it seems far worse than it is because the original exists, and this currently feels like little more than a pale imitation of the original, and one that doesn't even seem to understand it's main character properly at all. I feel like they should have just made a sequel rather than a remake, although the episodic nature of the show obviously would have made that difficult (so I understand why they've done it this way). |
_Ako_ said: I'm assuming that, also there's outside influence too; like take fanservice for example, in how it does affect a series' standing on MAL. We take a look closer(not that I would do it), I'm sure it is not about the deep content are lacking, but how the fanservice in the series is lacking; thus affecting the score of the series. Well, I don't think so. Take a look at Made in Abyss from previous season. Fanservice? No. And now it's in top 20. Same goes for Owarimonogatari2. Really, I think the main reason behind it is much worse atmosphere, pacing and even characters than in 2003 adaptation. Frankly, the Coliseum arc was really rushed and thus pictured Kino as some vengeful little brat. They totally screwed up this episode. |
| People wanted this to be a carbon copy of 2003 version with zombie Nakamura directing and Kino being neutral oberver 24/7. They didn't get it, worse they learned that Kino is actually a self-centered prick which they refuse to acknowledge. |
Shinraro said: People wanted this to be a carbon copy of 2003 version with zombie Nakamura directing and Kino being neutral oberver 24/7. They didn't get it, worse they learned that Kino is actually a self-centered prick which they refuse to acknowledge. Yeah, the thing is that in the original Kino being a neutral observer sort of made her emotional moments more rewarding because you came to understand how hard it actually was for her to keep that pose. It was a different appeal than this Kino but it sort of captured a connection this one seems it won't be able to at this point. A shame because it was one of my favorite things of the 2003 series, but I'm doing fine enjoying the current for what it is, though it leaves much less of an impact personally. |
rosgenit said: _Ako_ said: I'm assuming that, also there's outside influence too; like take fanservice for example, in how it does affect a series' standing on MAL. We take a look closer(not that I would do it), I'm sure it is not about the deep content are lacking, but how the fanservice in the series is lacking; thus affecting the score of the series. Well, I don't think so. Take a look at Made in Abyss from previous season. Fanservice? No. And now it's in top 20. Same goes for Owarimonogatari2. Really, I think the main reason behind it is much worse atmosphere, pacing and even characters than in 2003 adaptation. Frankly, the Coliseum arc was really rushed and thus pictured Kino as some vengeful little brat. They totally screwed up this episode. I don't know if Made in Abyss would be a good example - it doesn't have "sexy mature" fanservice but it has quite a few "lolicon" ones that really stuck out, get what you mean though otherwise. |
Bunnyflower said: rosgenit said: Well, I don't think so. Take a look at Made in Abyss from previous season. Fanservice? No. And now it's in top 20. Same goes for Owarimonogatari2. Really, I think the main reason behind it is much worse atmosphere, pacing and even characters than in 2003 adaptation. Frankly, the Coliseum arc was really rushed and thus pictured Kino as some vengeful little brat. They totally screwed up this episode. I don't know if Made in Abyss would be a good example - it doesn't have "sexy mature" fanservice but it has quite a few "lolicon" ones that really stuck out, get what you mean though otherwise. Okay, that wasn't the best example. I think this season's Mahotsukai no Yome will do. Maybe referring to the top anime list will be better. (things like S;G, LotGH) |
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