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Apr 25, 2019 12:38 AM
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The sage could have also found a random baby that was not reincarnated and it would have changed nothing. The reincarnation even makes the story worse since in his last life he should have learned common sense.

Will there be a reason for this being an isekai or did the author just decide to write one and then think of the story?

Apr 25, 2019 10:47 PM
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Because 1st one or two minutes of first episode. Later on it becomes completely irrelevant.
That's why isekai shouldn't be considered as genre, but merely a trope.
Apr 25, 2019 10:56 PM
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But sometimes the series actually uses it to its advantage (knowledge of a past life helps them etc). Only here it felt particularly useless
Apr 25, 2019 11:01 PM
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Because the author was follwing the popular trend of isekai, if it a Isekai, it will sale, regardless of whether the isekai part have any relevant to the story.
Apr 25, 2019 11:08 PM
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this show would have been well received if it wasn't an Isekai nonetheless it's still better than shield hero.
Apr 25, 2019 11:19 PM
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This is mainly a magic school anime, so we should just treat the Isekai part as a minor element and not the main element of this story.

Usually magic school anime have a main antagonist or a group of enemies to fight against, and Mago will be no exception, like EP 3 proved.

As examples, Harry Potter had Voldemort, Kuusen Madoushi had Devil Beetles, Rokudenashi had mage terrorist group, Seiken Tsukai had Metaphysicals, as enemies to fight against.

Mago's demons and demonoids would probably be interesting enemies to watch.
I frown at recent installments of Persona and Trails of Cold Steel that introduce harem-like elements in the story.

We need more JRPGs like the past Lunar series, where there are multiple romantic pairings in the party other than for the protagonist and main heroine.
Apr 25, 2019 11:28 PM
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Ehurvaks said:
This is mainly a magic school anime, so we should just treat the Isekai part as a minor element and not the main element of this story.


Then it should not introduce the isekai part into the story. be a magic school anime. Don't introduce a plot point if it contribute nothing to the story. It really look like it just have the isekai part because Isekai is the hot trend nowaday.
Apr 26, 2019 12:39 AM
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ExaltedChampion said:
Ehurvaks said:
This is mainly a magic school anime, so we should just treat the Isekai part as a minor element and not the main element of this story.


Then it should not introduce the isekai part into the story. be a magic school anime. Don't introduce a plot point if it contribute nothing to the story. It really look like it just have the isekai part because Isekai is the hot trend nowaday.

It is being used for comedy in some scenes that would've been pretty hard to explain without the Isekai Element(most of the isekais do that actually), if you don't value comedy, that's pretty much your problem.
DooMWhiteApr 26, 2019 12:57 AM


In most cases, the MAL Average Scores don't mean anything, here is a question: were the works made before 2000 all shit?
Why are they so damn scarce in the Top 50? Think about how MAL is quite literally a filtered amount of the Anime fanbase.

Here's a timeline of the Top 15 in which you can check that, almost always, the scores are affected by the freshness, popularity and other factors that have nothing to do with quality.

Apr 26, 2019 2:36 AM
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DooMWhite said:
ExaltedChampion said:


Then it should not introduce the isekai part into the story. be a magic school anime. Don't introduce a plot point if it contribute nothing to the story. It really look like it just have the isekai part because Isekai is the hot trend nowaday.

It is being used for comedy in some scenes that would've been pretty hard to explain without the Isekai Element(most of the isekais do that actually), if you don't value comedy, that's pretty much your problem.


In some other isekais yes, but in this one it hasn't been mentioned since he died. Usually I don't mind the isekai tropes but here it just feels useless
Apr 26, 2019 10:29 AM

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In some other isekais yes, but in this one it hasn't been mentioned since he died. Usually I don't mind the isekai tropes but here it just feels useless

Hmmm, i'm kinda understand about what you feel. Basically, each Isekai anime has the same pattern. First is being trapped or reincarnated to the another world, the MC always has a new motive, purpose or something like that for living in that new world, or the reason why they transferred to the another world. And that motive, purpose or reason is the "value" of an Isekai anime. As examples Ainz from Overlord, Sora and Shiro from NGNL, Tanya from Youjo senki, Kazuma from Konosuba, or Rudeus from Mushoku tensei. Another pattern is the two worlds are connected like GATE, Inuyasha, or Isekai shokudou.

And yeah, this anime has a weak isekai element. He dies, reincarnates into another world and saved by kenja a sage, and then this OP MC becomes magic school anime, so i know what you feel, and "just why isekai?" haha xD
But this is still 3 episodes, besides that.. this anime has a pretty good rating 7.6, so.. give it a little more chance xD
Or hopefully someone who has read the novel wants to explain it..


The score should go down to a borderline 7, maybe even 6, as it's where it deserves to be for such a bad show. The one saving grace for trash shows is being entertaining, the show can be horrible but it's so absurd that's still entertaining for a reason or another, this one is just boring 95% of the time with 5% of enjoyment. I really don't get what people see in this trash.
Apr 26, 2019 11:11 AM

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Yterbium said:
DooMWhite said:

It is being used for comedy in some scenes that would've been pretty hard to explain without the Isekai Element(most of the isekais do that actually), if you don't value comedy, that's pretty much your problem.


In some other isekais yes, but in this one it hasn't been mentioned since he died. Usually I don't mind the isekai tropes but here it just feels useless

And the narrative that this show is a isekai just cuz it's popular is pretty dumb, why is that? The author didn't even bother using a isekai title(Shoukan/Tensei/Isekai). The only way to know this is an isekai is reading about it.


In most cases, the MAL Average Scores don't mean anything, here is a question: were the works made before 2000 all shit?
Why are they so damn scarce in the Top 50? Think about how MAL is quite literally a filtered amount of the Anime fanbase.

Here's a timeline of the Top 15 in which you can check that, almost always, the scores are affected by the freshness, popularity and other factors that have nothing to do with quality.

Apr 26, 2019 12:10 PM

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It can be said that the isekai part is totally wasted because exactly those plots lead to things like Tensura where the protagonist contributes to the new world with knowledge, new ways of thinking and is building something new, but I feel that the author just arrived late to the trend of novels about a magic school and how he did not want to be forgotten inserted the element isekai to be relevant, but really only played against him from the western point of view.
Apr 26, 2019 12:18 PM

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First thing is the magic he use here can only be done by Japanese. In enchantment you can only put 20 character per item. But since Japanese have Kanji which can have many meaning on a single word then that can made more stacked word used in each item. That's why it said when the uniform is a national treasure.

Also he use several other knowledge like making camouflage using light reflection and combusting blue flame and such. Plus other thing like vibrosword etc.
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Apr 26, 2019 1:57 PM

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this show would have been well received if it wasn't an Isekai nonetheless it's still better than shield hero.


I am totally convinced of that and I would bet my house that if the staff had eliminated that scene from the beginning, we would all assume that it is just an anime from a magical school and it would have had a better reception.
The same applies to tension, if the story were just of a super smart slime, no one would have criticized it because the protagonist was OP because the grace was precisely to show the weakest enemy of the RPGs as a strong being.
tateyuusha is not a bad anime for being an isekai, it is BAD for being a badly written, poorly developed story that only intends to get to the moment when MC to call out everyone that's done him wrong, and show that he was really their superior all along.

The isekai tag has become practically the hook to attract bad criticism from the people.
Apr 26, 2019 6:58 PM
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First thing is the magic he use here can only be done by Japanese. In enchantment you can only put 20 character per item. But since Japanese have Kanji which can have many meaning on a single word then that can made more stacked word used in each item. That's why it said when the uniform is a national treasure.

Also he use several other knowledge like making camouflage using light reflection and combusting blue flame and such. Plus other thing like vibrosword etc.


This ^^ In the first episode its revealed he wrote science books in Japan. When he does the big bang spell he talks about combining Hydrogen and Oxygen molecules, something that would not be knowledge known to the regular folk. Also anyone who has an interest in science probably immediately knew he was making a bomb. LOL Its why he is so OP is because he has memories of his science backstory. So the nods are there, they just arent as prominent as other Isekai. As for common sense, It doesnt appear he had much anyhow. I mean he did walk out into the path of a truck at a no walk signal...
Apr 27, 2019 4:45 PM
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That is the case so to exist a reason for him to be so overpower. He uses his advanced scientific knowledge to use his magic in a more powerful way.
Apr 28, 2019 4:46 AM
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The isekai aspect is actually surprisingly important imo. If you read the manga or LN you will know why. I hope this isn’t spoiler but he uses his past life knowledge in order to make new types of magic such as his blue fire or his rewriting of the magic protection on the school uniform. There will be more specific magic later on but think about it as him using knowledge of how chemicals and elements work to create the fire and enchantments from games to create new protection on the uniform. These memories from his other life gives him ideas that would not even be thought of by the people of that world.
Apr 28, 2019 7:29 AM
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The genre "isekai" helps to explain the source of his knowledge, nothing more.
Reading the LN, Shin actually has few memories of his previous life. He does not try to remember it either. (And that's good.)

Also, the series loses its "funny" side throughout the story and begins to take a very "dark" turn.

Even if the anime adaptation does not follow exactly the LN, be careful not to criticize it too quickly. :)
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Apr 30, 2019 1:40 AM

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It is indeed a setting that just was gone after it was settled in, unlike some isekai that still establishes it's core foundation to that setting, but well, so far it's still fun to watch
Apr 30, 2019 1:59 AM

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Thanks, I guess the writer does try to put in some elements but I still feel he thought of them after deciding on isekai. For now it's enjoyable anough to keep watching, I was just curious if anyone else was bugged by this
Apr 30, 2019 11:37 AM
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Yterbium said:
The sage could have also found a random baby that was not reincarnated and it would have changed nothing. The reincarnation even makes the story worse since in his last life he should have learned common sense.

Will there be a reason for this being an isekai or did the author just decide to write one and then think of the story?


My follow up question is, Why do you care?
May 2, 2019 8:35 AM

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No, it's used efficiently. Shin knows how to use vibrations, hydrogen fission and knows that infrared electromagnetic radiation is the heat carrying one. Basically he couldn't be as OP

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May 2, 2019 10:06 AM

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they use isekai the reason why he is so good at magic, he said himself that bc of the knowledge he had from gaming was the reason his imagination was so strong and magic works with your imagination basically
May 3, 2019 11:38 AM
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Because 1st one or two minutes of first episode. Later on it becomes completely irrelevant.
That's why isekai shouldn't be considered as genre, but merely a trope.

I agree 100%
Isekai is NOT A GENRE
Literally after ep 2 its a normal fantasy or sci fi world. Like tf
May 3, 2019 1:31 PM

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1. He has science knowledge people in that world don't, which make him even more OP.
2. Kanji, he can rewrite equipment enchantments(?) and add more spells than people from that world because the number of characters is limited and they use way more than you'd use with kanji.
3. Because the author fucking wanted it to be an isekai.

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