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Jul 11, 2019 10:25 AM
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THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER.
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So Emma makes a new promise with the Demon supreme leader.But she has to pay something.






Jul 12, 2019 2:04 AM
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oh boy, that sound like really great proposal. /s
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Jul 12, 2019 3:28 AM
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I’m curious with what the payment will actually be. I doubt it’s going to be easy.
Jul 12, 2019 6:58 AM
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Something tells me Norman will be the sacrifice. Demon god most likely knows about the coming rebellion and would likely demand Norman to be "the final sacrifice" perhaps...
I can't think of anything else that would make the "price for peace" worth it (for the demon god of course)

P.S also: DID Emma just make a HUGE error? She specified that the cattle children shall leave the demon world - after which it gets sealed off, but what about ADULT humans? Can't demons let the kids go and create NEW cattle children afterwards? Or, by saying cattle children, both Emma and demon god actually talk about - every human born/raised in demon world? (including MOMS) Kind of confusing...
Jul 12, 2019 7:16 AM
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He'll probably ask for something like Ray and/or Norman to be sacrificed since he wanted to eat the best meat
Jul 12, 2019 7:18 AM
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I want Mama to be free. \ (•◡•) /



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Jul 12, 2019 7:30 AM
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cattle children doesn't mean all humans it just means the children

the demons can just breed new children with the remaining adults wtf?

should have asked for ALL HUMANS to cross over, not all cattle children..
jesus..
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Jul 12, 2019 8:09 AM
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cattle children doesn't mean all humans it just means the children

the demons can just breed new children with the remaining adults wtf?

should have asked for ALL HUMANS to cross over, not all cattle children..
jesus..
The remaining adults are as good as dead tbh. They're beyond repair. Only Mama is gud.



"Self respect is the greatest gift we can give to our self"




Jul 12, 2019 8:13 AM
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We have seen the terrible price of the last wish Will Emma's wish of separate worlds bring peace?
Jul 12, 2019 8:34 AM

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Yasuhiro- said:
Nim0174 said:
cattle children doesn't mean all humans it just means the children

the demons can just breed new children with the remaining adults wtf?

should have asked for ALL HUMANS to cross over, not all cattle children..
jesus..
The remaining adults are as good as dead tbh. They're beyond repair. Only Mama is gud.


pretty sure there is a lot of young adults being trained for mama positions
we saw a huge amount of them in the krone flashbacks
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Jul 12, 2019 8:36 AM
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Nim0174 said:
Yasuhiro- said:
The remaining adults are as good as dead tbh. They're beyond repair. Only Mama is gud.


pretty sure there is a lot of young adults being trained for mama positions
we saw a huge amount of them in the krone flashbacks
Yeah I meant mentality. But the cattle children must mean all the humans or that'll be a huge plot hole. Then again, we don't know how the story will turn out.

Edited: Sorry, I should have written more context for above post. XD
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Jul 12, 2019 8:37 AM

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Yasuhiro- said:
Nim0174 said:


pretty sure there is a lot of young adults being trained for mama positions
we saw a huge amount of them in the krone flashbacks
Yeah I meant mentality. But the cattle children must mean all the humans or that'll be a huge plot hole. Then again, we don't know how the story will turn out.


its not a plot hole if not all humans actually cross over
its emma fucking up and then the demons repeat the cycle xD
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Jul 12, 2019 8:48 AM
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Nim0174 said:
Yasuhiro- said:
Yeah I meant mentality. But the cattle children must mean all the humans or that'll be a huge plot hole. Then again, we don't know how the story will turn out.


its not a plot hole if not all humans actually cross over
its emma fucking up and then the demons repeat the cycle xD
Yeah but author should not be retarded like that though. I mean they should give more thoughts about that.
Yasuhiro-Jul 12, 2019 9:40 PM



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Jul 12, 2019 8:52 AM

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Yasuhiro- said:
Nim0174 said:


its not a plot hole if not all humans actually cross over
its emma fucking up and then the demons repeat the cycle xD
Yeah but I don't think author would be that retarded though.


yea you are probably right lets hope so xD
can't wait to see what price she has to pay
if i had to guess it would be Norman and Ray or maybe all the children that escaped
they are technically not cattle anymore but free right so damn what if they do not fall under that promise? xD
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Nim0174 said:
Yasuhiro- said:
Yeah but author should not be retarded like that though. I mean they should give more thoughts about that.


yea you are probably right lets hope so xD
can't wait to see what price she has to pay
if i had to guess it would be Norman and Ray or maybe all the children that escaped
they are technically not cattle anymore but free right so damn what if they do not fall under that promise? xD
The price is always huge.Though the previous guy is pretty fucked up. It's emma now, she'd somehow pull it off. Yeah, hope there'll be less casualties. And I don't really want Norman to die though he is kinda villain now.
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Jul 12, 2019 10:16 AM
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Has anyone noticed that the first cattle humans, are the ancestors of the main cast?

The idealistic young man with the beard (hair color is hard to determine, but could be the same) = Emma

The black haired man with the tattoo on his face = Ray

The blonde girl = Norman

A lot of people keep saying Norman is actually a descendant of Ratri, but I don't think any of his family were made into cattle. Unless there's either a secret deal or he's related to that girl.

But just think about it. All following humans came from that first group. I find it fascinating.
Jul 12, 2019 10:54 AM

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Many speculated that Norman is a Ratri and he wasn't raise as a cattle child. I wonder if Norman can go to Human World. Too bad for him, He will be getting left behind again. Being a white hair guy is suffering. I don't want this to happen, I want him to have a happy life in a human world at the end of this manga.

There are still many questions left that hasn't been answered. What's the reward? Who is the Tifari's offering? What is Peter Ratri's Greatest Plan? What happen to Phil and Isabella? What will be the fate of Musica in the future of this manga? Author also mentions about that Krone' bait in Escape Arc will be used as a plot thread in this final arc.

I think bittersweet ending is more likely to be happen in this manga rather than a happy ending or a tragedy ending.
Jul 12, 2019 2:59 PM

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All cattle children could be a vague term referring to all humans in the demon world. As far as we know they were all initially raised as cattle. With how everything was phrased it's not impossible to take new humans from human world and then make it impossible to pass. That could be a reward as well and really makes all Emma's effort pointless.
Jul 12, 2019 4:44 PM
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Other people brought it up but I wonder if this will be like a genie wish that will be taken too literally. We got to see how this world came to be. If Emma’s wish actually works and all humans are safe, wouldn’t the demons all regress eventually?
Jul 12, 2019 5:03 PM

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the rules say that the god's reward cannot be refused but what if emma finds a mindfuck way to just say no and god will be ok with it. i mean it's not even clear yet what happens if the reward is declined

TabitahL said:
Has anyone noticed that the first cattle humans, are the ancestors of the main cast?


and yeah noticed the same thing. noticed it first with the emma-ancestor, the hair style is just too resembling. for some reason my first guess for norman's ancestor was julius idek why
Jul 13, 2019 2:10 AM

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Damn, Emma!!

I am not surprised to what Julius did, still fucked up tho!
Jul 13, 2019 8:00 AM

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Fuck Julius smh, it be ya own friends. Anyone else think the kids are a reincarnation of those friends 1000 years ago too?

I think Emma will have to stay behind as the reward
Jul 13, 2019 6:03 PM

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Emma's wish is really big that the price would also be big. I'm guessing that Emma and the others would not cross the other world as the toll. I don't know, we'll see.
Jul 14, 2019 4:36 PM
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Emma's goal turned out easier than we thought it would be, to fulfill. Which is unexpected, given how difficult the trials and tribulations of the characters have been so far. Still, there's going to be a cost: can't wait for the next chapter.
Jul 16, 2019 12:51 AM
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Julius definitely saved humanity, no denying that, but from Emma, and the other children's perspective, what he did was unacceptable.

Curious to see what the price to pay will be
Jul 17, 2019 2:28 PM

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I re-red the chapter many times from multiples translations and the wish that Emma formulates is pretty ambiguous.

I tried to translate the raw : 食用児全員で人間の世界へ行きたい。
What I roughly get is : I want to go to the world of human beings with all children.

As it first appears from her wish, it seems that she has screwed up the new promise really bad. She's not breaking the cycle at all like the others has mentionned.

Let's see next week what the author prepared for us. Hope it was just a misunderstanding or a well-designed plan.

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Jul 20, 2019 8:41 AM

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definitely don't think it's a coincidence that the mcs of the flashback resemble emma/ray/norman. wondering if how julius (the norman lookalike) betrays his comrades is foreshadowing a future betrayal by 'our' norman?
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is this a male gender issure...human issue...mental illness perhaps?
Jul 30, 2019 1:40 AM

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Ratri ratted out his friends when they refused to shill for the Demons by sacrificing their fellowmen and ended the mass-war between humans and demons but he and his descendants were sentenced to be the gatekeepers between the two worlds for all of eternity as a poetic consequence for all the things he had done to get there. So that's why Emma and Ray had lookalikes from a millennium ago...

The Demon King quickly accepted Emma's proposal but I can only feel worry for her because he might end up twisting her words or giving her a demand that'll keep her there forever like Ratri...








Aug 11, 2019 2:12 PM

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GL not ending up in a similar situation to Julius, Emma. Maybe just say your promise starts without sacrificing anyone. Gah. :o
Sep 2, 2019 3:11 AM

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Julius plan didn't work out as he hoped.

Emmas wish was a given, now we have to see what kind of fate awaits her in return.

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Apr 26, 2020 12:31 AM

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Woah! That moment when Julius betrayed his friends and the appearance of the demons to capture his comrades really gave me goosebumps! No exaggeration there!😱 Reminds me of "Berserk" where Griffith sacrificed his friends.😞😞

It's true that Julius resembles Norman but isn't he a gatekeeper? If so, shouldn't his descendants be excluded for being demons' cattle?🤨

My guess for the price Emma has to give would be something to do with herself. She would have to give herself or probably have to remain in the world of demons forever. Emma would likely give in but Ray and Norman will not allow it, thus! They will work together in order to win Emma back. Wouldn't that be great?😮🤭

She got him back. If you understand the characters well enough, you'd know she did!
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Cheap drama, i wasted so LONG reading this just to find out a stupid promise that was not needed un firts place, they (the Monsters) could come to that plan all alone withouth a "human" traitor ... He didnt win anything he even SEND his Friends then What did he protect ?.

Also both parts have to give something yet the Monster were only requesto to give the best meat, yeah is not like they are giving THEIR MEAT, is caddle kids ... So again they didnt lose anything * roll eyes *
Aug 30, 2023 8:03 AM
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first king literally saved his skin and killed his comrades to become part of the 1st group of seeds

now we know what the tifari festival is

also, that wish was mediocre, i hope there is more to it from Emma. I wonder what the king will want
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Hopefully this dude is straightforward and won’t twist her words so that she doesn’t get what she actually wants. And not sure about the promise itself tbh.how will that work out?
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