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Mar 25, 2021 7:23 PM
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I can't get over this man. I understand that Rudeus technically isn't a pedophile, but can we talk about Phillip? I watched episode 8 a couple weeks ago and this line has been ringing in my head since.

"If you want, I'll leave Eris in your bed with her hands tied tonight."
-Phillip Boreas Greyrat (AKA her father wtf)

I understand setting up your daughter to be married like this, considering the medieval setting, but tying your 10/11 year old daughter up and letting some little kid have his way with her is beyond creepy.

What was your reaction to this?
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Mar 25, 2021 7:50 PM
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skysurf said:
I'll save you time by summarizing some of the answers you're probably gonna get:

- "It's a very realistic portrayal of (insert here whatever convenient plot device is used to provide the MC with ecchi situations) in the middle ages"

- It's a flawed character and doing that is totally important for character development/world building/etc.


Or some variations of the above.
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Mar 25, 2021 8:10 PM
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Considering it is a isekai power fantasy harem this did not surprise me at all. In the same episode Rudeus tried to have sex with her though he got rejected by her until she gets older.
Mar 25, 2021 8:13 PM
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skysurf said:
HoloKill said:
Have you ever felt joy in your life?

Wrong forum. Please read the title and content of the first post and try again.
No, I'm pretty sure I was quoting the right person, which is you, find something better to do other then stalking the forums of a anime your obsessed with.

Anyways op I forgot to answer your question, yeah he is kinda creepy I guess, it's just the way his character is, he's a pretty minor character in the series so you won't be seeing much of him later on in this series.
Mar 25, 2021 8:36 PM
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That was messed up. If u rewatch the scene he was saying that rudeus could just sit on the throne while he (Phillip) takes care of the stuff. That's basically saying that I'm selling my daughter for the throne

Yeah. Philip's goal was political power. Seemed he was ready to use his daughter to gain more of it.

Mar 25, 2021 8:37 PM
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He's sick in the head but I'm pretty used to all that stuff from this series




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Mar 25, 2021 9:17 PM
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It's anime, not surprised at all.
Mar 25, 2021 9:37 PM
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He's based, more anime father should do that.
Mar 25, 2021 10:02 PM
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MrCrit said:
I can't get over this man. I understand that Rudeus technically isn't a pedophile, but can we talk about Phillip? I watched episode 8 a couple weeks ago and this line has been ringing in my head since.

"If you want, I'll leave Eris in your bed with her hands tied tonight."
-Phillip Boreas Greyrat (AKA her father wtf)

I understand setting up your daughter to be married like this, considering the medieval setting, but tying your 10/11 year old daughter up and letting some little kid have his way with her is beyond creepy.

What was your reaction to this?


If only my in-law was like that when we first met

I wouldn't have had to like meet the fockers all over again.
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MrCrit said:
I can't get over this man. I understand that Rudeus technically isn't a pedophile, but can we talk about Phillip? I watched episode 8 a couple weeks ago and this line has been ringing in my head since.

"If you want, I'll leave Eris in your bed with her hands tied tonight."
-Phillip Boreas Greyrat (AKA her father wtf)

I understand setting up your daughter to be married like this, considering the medieval setting, but tying your 10/11 year old daughter up and letting some little kid have his way with her is beyond creepy.

What was your reaction to this?
this is based of a midival world its wierd and gross but it makes sens
Mar 25, 2021 11:04 PM

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What happened to @skysurf 's reply?
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Mar 26, 2021 1:04 AM
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AAA....IT'S A ..... AAA.DIS,TURBING
Mar 26, 2021 1:23 AM
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It won't be that surprising if you've read a lot of stuff about history.

That shit happend on the daily back in the day, it still happens in other countries today as well.

Did it make sense for the series? Yes.

Was it weird and uncomfortable? Absolutely.
Mar 26, 2021 1:27 AM
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He was based and wanted to tie Rudeus into his family so he could use Rudeus..
Mar 26, 2021 1:29 AM

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1) Rudy is a pedo.
2) I still think Phillip had the "honesty of a drunkard" when he said that. In other words, he said what he desired since his drunk and talkative.
I still think, at the end of the day he wouldn't go to such extremes. He would still use his daughter as a bargaining tool eventually, but wouldn't tie her up, especially at this age.
I may be giving too much credits to a pos character though.
Mar 26, 2021 5:50 AM

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Well, this is actually logical. From what we've seen almost if not everyone in the Greyrat family are extremely weird and perverted.

But if you really want to know my reaction, it was basically this:

"Wait... did this motherfucker really just say that to a kid? LMAO"
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AnimeLeviathan said:
Well, this is actually logical. From what we've seen almost if not everyone in the Greyrat family are extremely weird and perverted.

But if you really want to know my reaction, it was basically this:

"Wait... did this motherfucker really just say that to a kid? LMAO"
Same XD, I burst out laughing.
Mar 26, 2021 5:58 AM

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well everyone in this show is horny on main and considering its a wish fullfilment isekai harem it doesnt surprise me much
Mar 26, 2021 6:52 AM

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I was planning to watch this anime but seriously this kinda things I keep seeing creeps me out
Mar 26, 2021 7:03 AM

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I guess political power is worth that much to him, there is no defending him but to be honest I was not surprised at all nor disturbed because it's anime.
Mar 26, 2021 7:51 AM
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Phillip is characterized as an extremely ambitious noble and he is playing the game of thrones. It was established that Rudeus is a Notos Greyrat, which gives him claims on the Notos lands. And if Rudeus was to marry into the Boreas name, it would give Phillip the casus belli to declare war on the Notos lands and seize them all under the Boreas name. This is a huge power grab that could accelerate Phillip to dukedom or possibly even a grab for the Asurian throne itself.

Rudeus is considered to be a genius and extremely strong, being able to claim himself as a chantless saint water mage at the age of 5, while Eris is an extremely strong-willed woman who even if Phillip was to try to marry her off politically would probably just beat her husband before coming back. That is if she does not just run away to become an adventurer. And Phillip is under a time-limit too. Rudeus has only about 2 more years under their care before he goes off into magic university. And after that, who knows what will happen. Phillip also knows that he is providing a +1 university ticket. A childhood love interest perhaps? No, if Phillip wants to expand his domain he needs Eris and Rudeus to marry as soon as possible. And the best way to do that is to have Eris get pregnant. Then he can force Rudeus to marry her. This is also why he told Rudeus to use protection against those other noble daughters way back. Yeah while the chance is extremely small for an 8 year old, better to nip all opposing factors in the bud while you can.

What I find interesting is that Phillip talks about initiating a coup and that he was already ready to do it. But the current head of the Boreas lands is still the grandfather, Saurus. Phillip had only lost the succession as heir. So when he initiates the coup it will most likely be against the grandfather and he will take him hostage to facilitate his demands. He would force the title as head of Boreas from his father, to him.

This is even more interesting if you think about it because as was explained, the current heir takes all the male children of his brothers and adopts them. This is to help ease the succession and better control the Boreas dynasty. I wonder why Saurus always hangs out in Phillip's household instead Philemon's house, even though he is the current heir. Why is Saurus so particular to Eris? It is possible that Phillip is actually a true son to Saurus and Philemon was an adoptive son from Saurus's brother.
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MrCrit said:
I can't get over this man. I understand that Rudeus technically isn't a pedophile, but can we talk about Phillip? I watched episode 8 a couple weeks ago and this line has been ringing in my head since.

"If you want, I'll leave Eris in your bed with her hands tied tonight."
-Phillip Boreas Greyrat (AKA her father wtf)

I understand setting up your daughter to be married like this, considering the medieval setting, but tying your 10/11 year old daughter up and letting some little kid have his way with her is beyond creepy.

What was your reaction to this?


I was kind of appalled too, but understand that this was Phillip’s attempt at enlisting a powerful ally in a potential power struggle. Obviously an alliance with Rudeus—and what that could mean for his future—meant more to him than his daughter’s happiness and safety.
Mar 26, 2021 7:37 PM

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>her father consented
>her mother consented
>she consented
>she is a girl that has most likely already started ovulating
>is doing with a boy close to her age
>would have massive political gains for both families

I fail to see the problem?
Mar 26, 2021 7:46 PM

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thewiru said:
>her father consented
>her mother consented
>she consented
>she is a girl that has most likely already started ovulating
>is doing with a boy close to her age
>would have massive political gains for both families

I fail to see the problem?


I think the offer to tie her up is the "problem". Looks like he didn't need to though.
Mar 26, 2021 7:49 PM

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probably the best guy in the whole Greygrat family

 
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Mar 27, 2021 1:36 PM
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He's a scheming noble type of character... a rat. The Boreas line of the Greyrats are on the losing side of a power struggle with the Notos line. As the second highest ranking noble in the Boreas line of the Greyrat family, Phillip's a noble first and father second. He almost certainly holds Eris to that standard as well. In his mind as a father, he's probably just happy that the person he's trying to push her on to is at least around her age and someone that she likes.

Phillip's basically trying to honey pot Rudy into becoming his puppet heir. Rudy's shown himself to be something like a child prodigy that just kind of fell onto his lap. He's got a relatively predictable personality and generally favorable running relationships with all the Boreas family members. Moreover, he's of Notos lineage through Paul but is otherwise unaffiliated with them to the point that they might not even know he exists.

Setting aside the morality of the situation, Phillip would actually be incredibly stupid not to jump on setting Rudy up with Eris. Besides, Rudy pretty much forced Phillip's hand when he stepped in to dance with Eris.
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thewiru said:
>her father consented
>her mother consented
>she consented
>she is a girl that has most likely already started ovulating
>is doing with a boy close to her age
>would have massive political gains for both families

I fail to see the problem?
.....................
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MrCrit said:
thewiru said:
>her father consented
>her mother consented
>she consented
>she is a girl that has most likely already started ovulating
>is doing with a boy close to her age
>would have massive political gains for both families

I fail to see the problem?
.....................
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palmthree said:
Phillip is characterized as an extremely ambitious noble and he is playing the game of thrones. It was established that Rudeus is a Notos Greyrat, which gives him claims on the Notos lands. And if Rudeus was to marry into the Boreas name, it would give Phillip the casus belli to declare war on the Notos lands and seize them all under the Boreas name. This is a huge power grab that could accelerate Phillip to dukedom or possibly even a grab for the Asurian throne itself.

Rudeus is considered to be a genius and extremely strong, being able to claim himself as a chantless saint water mage at the age of 5, while Eris is an extremely strong-willed woman who even if Phillip was to try to marry her off politically would probably just beat her husband before coming back. That is if she does not just run away to become an adventurer. And Phillip is under a time-limit too. Rudeus has only about 2 more years under their care before he goes off into magic university. And after that, who knows what will happen. Phillip also knows that he is providing a +1 university ticket. A childhood love interest perhaps? No, if Phillip wants to expand his domain he needs Eris and Rudeus to marry as soon as possible. And the best way to do that is to have Eris get pregnant. Then he can force Rudeus to marry her. This is also why he told Rudeus to use protection against those other noble daughters way back. Yeah while the chance is extremely small for an 8 year old, better to nip all opposing factors in the bud while you can.

What I find interesting is that Phillip talks about initiating a coup and that he was already ready to do it. But the current head of the Boreas lands is still the grandfather, Saurus. Phillip had only lost the succession as heir. So when he initiates the coup it will most likely be against the grandfather and he will take him hostage to facilitate his demands. He would force the title as head of Boreas from his father, to him.

This is even more interesting if you think about it because as was explained, the current heir takes all the male children of his brothers and adopts them. This is to help ease the succession and better control the Boreas dynasty. I wonder why Saurus always hangs out in Phillip's household instead Philemon's house, even though he is the current heir. Why is Saurus so particular to Eris? It is possible that Phillip is actually a true son to Saurus and Philemon was an adoptive son from Saurus's brother.


addition: Philemon Notos Greyrat is Paul's younger brother and is the current head of the Notos Greyrat family.

Sauros and Paul's father were close, Sauros often visits the Notos and bring Philip with him (so the theory that Philip is his true son is kinda strong), and because of that Paul and Phillip became friends or brothers(the Luffy, Ace & Sabo kind) even. Paul was supposed to be the heir of the Notos Greyrat family, but since he hated his tyrant of a father, he abandoned his nobility and thus now goes by Paul Greyrat, formerly Paul "Notos" Greyrat.

Sauros Boreas Greyrat personally hates Philemon Notos Greyrat maybe because of his incompetence as the Lord of Milbotts Region (see LN v7 Ch5 Abrupt Approach) which led to many deaths.

Note:
In the Asura Kingdom,
Boreas governs the Fittoa Region(where the teleport incident happened),
Notos governs the Milbotts Region


That's why when he saw how great Rudeus(who has Notos blood) was he was convinced enough that he would go to war with the Pilemon Notos Greyrat and put Rudeus as the head, because he saw how wise and talented Rudeus was than Pilemon, despite being 10.

And maybe because Sauros was close to the previous head of the Notos is why he saw how incompetent the current head, Pilemon, is, and want someone more competent to replace him. Paul was deserving but Paul doesn't want to be involved with the Notos anymore or any nobles generally. Paul hates nobles, so it was a no. So when he saw mah boi Rudeus he was ready for war.

Back with Phillip, and also when he wins the battle for succession he would not only become the next head of the Boreas but also regains his two sons that was confiscated by his older brother who won the succesion battle James Boreas Greyrat.

And Hilda was the one who convinced eris to change into a night gown and go to Rudeus' room and sleep with him(either literally or sex), she also wants Eris to be with Rudeus, for her motives I can think of two:

-one is because she(& maybe also Phillip) knew that only Rudeus is compatible with Eris. Eris was introduced to many noble's sons for marriage but it was hopeless. She knew that only only Rudeus can handle Eris.

-two, if by this Phillip wins the battle of succession she will be reunited with her two sons that was confiscated from her.

,it's either or both.
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MrCrit said:
I can't get over this man. I understand that Rudeus technically isn't a pedophile, but can we talk about Phillip? I watched episode 8 a couple weeks ago and this line has been ringing in my head since.

"If you want, I'll leave Eris in your bed with her hands tied tonight."
-Phillip Boreas Greyrat (AKA her father wtf)

I understand setting up your daughter to be married like this, considering the medieval setting, but tying your 10/11 year old daughter up and letting some little kid have his way with her is beyond creepy.

What was your reaction to this?


true and the labeling MC as pedo is ridiculous but some ppl do still say that

i agree its beyond creepy but i think with that part he was joking and maybe even testing him like how far he would go if he gives the green light


i doubt hes mentally 34 sins kid brain isn't capable for grown up mentality it depends how dev hes brain is some are capable of bit higher maturity but not to fully grown person lvl so biology also limits us, u would have to be a brain expert to say that hes adult in child's body in other words to argue against what i said

biology prevents kids to be with fully adult mind/maturity sure some are more mature but it has its limit, brain needs to grow/dev so if u put adult in child's body hes maturity will degrade to

some ppl even society has black and white view on this but that's so short sided


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I love it when people "forget" about key-parts just for their "assumptions" and opinions to be valid -.-

Nowhere in this series is shown that Ryoma is anything but a child with adult knowledge, which means... well basically that, that he is a kid that has knowledge about stuff like an adult.
People are forcing the "34yo inside 11yo body" theory a little too much. The series itself explains that it is based on theories that we are not used to, like "reborn" and "age regression", but they still don't care about the facts AND based like IRL. Why not just enjoy the series and don't mind about things that (1st they are impossible, and 2nd) nobody understands fully.

Just relax and have a good time. (and don't destroy other's people joy)


r_justo said:
And here we go again... I remember people complaining about something like that on another anime, Kami-tachi ni Hirowareta Otoko, even though that guy was an exemplar guy they still complain because he was interacting (not sexually) with another girl!

People have a hard time in their minds when the subject is reincarnation/reborn. They can't understand that even if it was an old guy reborning he would be reborn in a baby/kid/very young person. What is he supposed to do? He's a kid, not an adult! And people have problems seeing that! For them, the guy that had the luck to reborn in another life, start fully new, cannot relate what-so-ever. If they relate to an older person, "he's a kid, he shouldn't be with adults!", if he relates with kids within his age, "he has a mind of an adult, he shouldn't be with kids!". The best thing possible that could happen to a dying person and those f*ckers blaming him all over it!!

My diagnose, ENVY is a hard thing to deal with!

PS: I said a guy because both cases have a guy being reborn, but the same could be said if it was a girl.

also its not pedophilia but ephidila, so this makes that accusation even more ridiculous, pedophilia is attraction to children (meaning Pre teens) and ephidila attraction to teens, teens are no longer children, not children and not adults also called young adults

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gswelcome said:


He is an adult in the body of a child.


Regardless of what you think, Rudeus is still a child! Yes, he can have a mind of an adult but he is a child in any way possible.
I will not count that he lived 10 years as a child already, but also that his physical body, and the way people treat him and take him seriously is as a child.
He is a pervert... lol! Like his dad? Like his uncle?? Like his grandfather?? (and yes! Rudeus is the son of Paul Greyrat!) BIG DEAL!! Even the soo pure "child" that he "attempt" to "molest" was hinting for him to do it!! The show itself is oversexualized from the start. Eager (in bed) parents, kinky maid, kinky teacher... Didn't you ever hear that son of a fish knows how to swim?

NOW THE PROBLEM WITH YOU GUYS: You that are sooooooo much concerned about the children, how about this world being soooo dam morbid to them?? Pretending to be a kidnap, turn out to be a real thing? Smash a child's face with a boot! The kids run away? Lets try to kill them, shall we?? OH!!! Let's save those kids that are scared to death? EXPLODING THE GUYS HEAD IN FRONT OF THEM!!!
BUT FOR THAT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE "CHILDREN"!!! F-U!!

Like I said in my OP, ENVY is a hard thing to deal with it!

PS: OH! And btw, maybe not at 10yo or earlier, but at 12ish-13ish I was almost as pervert as him! It's natural when children start puberty (in boys ~12 and girls a little earlier, scientific facts!), to think about doing "sexy" things! This one just started earlier (by the eyes of those people) and was even instigated by his uncle to do it.
Stop putting the blame on the MC. As of what I could see (and I finished the series) he's trying his hardest to be a better being than he was! People that cannot see that, aren't worthy of an unbias opinion!
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inb4 angloids find out that more than 300,000 child marriages happened in 2023 in angloid countries.

and that in the old days it was common to pair your daughter with a suitor
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also he was testing rudeus like would he be willing the rape, cause doing a tied up young lady is rape, considering the way he put it, if couple do that its their thing but the way he said it means that rudeus would rape her, so it was a test, but he was half serious, serious about giving her hand to him but tied up part was a test
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thewiru said:
>her father consented
>her mother consented
>she consented
>she is a girl that has most likely already started ovulating
>is doing with a boy close to her age
>would have massive political gains for both families

I fail to see the problem?
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You are putting a guy from medieval fantasy world to a real life modern standard.

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