| On one hand the animation style is very cartoony and colorful and even the violence looks cartoonishly over the top, but on the other hand they throw a serious rape scene in there that felt completely out of place. There are Anime that do artsy violence in that kind of setting really well, like Monogatari or Devilman Crybaby, but their tone is a lot more mature, compared to the potty humour that fits more with the taste of a 6 year old. Having that kind of humour, style and speed is fine, but clashing that with brutal rape and making it look 'fun' doesn't work at all. And making it a reference doesn't make it okay. Let me make it clear, I have no problem with heavy topics like rape in Anime, but it has to make sense, here it just seems like completely out of place, like a Dragonball episode suddenly having slavery as a topic. |
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Bestboidan said: Honestly, I thought it was ecchi, I haven't seen the first episode yet but from the looks of what people are saying, it's more of a goblin slayer type thing. Not really comparable to Goblin Slayer, in Goblin Slayer it was there to show how dangerous and evil Goblins are, here it is more a 'oh look someone got raped' while showing the soldiers that did it having fun with a young nun. Even Redo of a Healer (or whatever it was called) tried to give reason to the motivations and why stuff happened. Both reasons are simplistic at best, but at least they are something. The second episode argument doesn't really work, as there is for one a week between episodes, plus I don't see any way you could rectify this. That is like saying something horrible and after 2 minutes saying 'haha, it was just a joke, isn't that funny'. |
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zwolf12 said: On one hand the animation style is very cartoony and colorful and even the violence looks cartoonishly over the top, but on the other hand they throw a serious rape scene in there that felt completely out of place. There are Anime that do artsy violence in that kind of setting really well, like Monogatari or Devilman Crybaby, but their tone is a lot more mature, compared to the potty humour that fits more with the taste of a 6 year old. Having that kind of humour, style and speed is fine, but clashing that with brutal rape and making it look 'fun' doesn't work at all. And making it a reference doesn't make it okay. Let me make it clear, I have no problem with heavy topics like rape in Anime, but it has to make sense, here it just seems like completely out of place, like a Dragonball episode suddenly having slavery as a topic. its a colorful action from the author of interspecies reviewers. its kind like if happy tree friends was writen by that guy. i really like how nothing is like it. and i do think you'll get a picture of the shows tone in 1 or 2 more episodes. but what i got, is that this is a show for adults. the look is just an artistic choice. |
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Bestboidan said: Honestly, I thought it was ecchi, I haven't seen the first episode yet but from the looks of what people are saying, it's more of a goblin slayer type thing. no its more like (happy tree friends x interspecies reviewers) + some action |
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| It wasnt so out of place for me at least. It clearly explained itself better in the second episode, but the intent of it was showing the morality of the militar system in this world and to relate it with the religious views of the population. The cartoony style spice up the scene, why should you restrain the violence because of it? It was maybe over the top, I would grant that |
rememberthecity said: Clearly the writers in Japan have no intention of ever improving because the fans can't wait to post apologia for rape. Why change when this is what the fans want? Uncritical and eager to consume, and will defend to the death not based on any reasoned examination of the show's artistic merits but because of some kind of deeply felt attachment. Tell me you're 14 without telling me you're 14: you blindly defend anything in a show you like simply because it's in a show you like. This post doesn't make any sense. I've seen no one in this thread topic "apologize" for rape. Not minding when something is portrayed in a show isn't "apologizing" for it. There is zero difference between this instance and people not minding the portrayal of murder, assault, robbery, torture, kidnapping, and any other action of that nature. So someone not minding that a series portrays a murder or assault is "apologizing" for murder or assault now? That makes zero sense. And it's no different with rape compared to any other aggressive or violent action and their hypothetical portrayals. |
BigDKnicksFan said: zwolf12 said: Not really comparable to Goblin Slayer, in Goblin Slayer it was there to show how dangerous and evil Goblins are, here it is more a 'oh look someone got raped' while showing the soldiers that did it having fun with a young nun. Even Redo of a Healer (or whatever it was called) tried to give reason to the motivations and why stuff happened. Both reasons are simplistic at best, but at least they are something. The second episode argument doesn't really work, as there is for one a week between episodes, plus I don't see any way you could rectify this. That is like saying something horrible and after 2 minutes saying 'haha, it was just a joke, isn't that funny'. I read the manga and I can give you a well reason Doesn't really matter as this is a question about the anime and even if they explain more later it was so poorly done that it gave enough reason to drop the show, especially when anime is so stacked you don't get much of second chances. |
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zwolf12 said: man I commend you for ur viewpoint of the world cause ur way to positive like do u think people need a reason to rape someone I mean recently in my country a man raped a girl and killed her when the policed interviewed him he didn't have a reason man and it is comparable to goblin slayer like u said it was to show how evil goblins are well it was to show how messed up humans are man there doesn't have to be a reason for someone to rape someone u could say they were horny you knowBestboidan said: Honestly, I thought it was ecchi, I haven't seen the first episode yet but from the looks of what people are saying, it's more of a goblin slayer type thing. Not really comparable to Goblin Slayer, in Goblin Slayer it was there to show how dangerous and evil Goblins are, here it is more a 'oh look someone got raped' while showing the soldiers that did it having fun with a young nun. Even Redo of a Healer (or whatever it was called) tried to give reason to the motivations and why stuff happened. Both reasons are simplistic at best, but at least they are something. The second episode argument doesn't really work, as there is for one a week between episodes, plus I don't see any way you could rectify this. That is like saying something horrible and after 2 minutes saying 'haha, it was just a joke, isn't that funny'. |
DogeCum said: zwolf12 said: man I commend you for ur viewpoint of the world cause ur way to positive like do u think people need a reason to rape someone I mean recently in my country a man raped a girl and killed her when the policed interviewed him he didn't have a reason man and it is comparable to goblin slayer like u said it was to show how evil goblins are well it was to show how messed up humans are man there doesn't have to be a reason for someone to rape someone u could say they were horny you knowNot really comparable to Goblin Slayer, in Goblin Slayer it was there to show how dangerous and evil Goblins are, here it is more a 'oh look someone got raped' while showing the soldiers that did it having fun with a young nun. Even Redo of a Healer (or whatever it was called) tried to give reason to the motivations and why stuff happened. Both reasons are simplistic at best, but at least they are something. The second episode argument doesn't really work, as there is for one a week between episodes, plus I don't see any way you could rectify this. That is like saying something horrible and after 2 minutes saying 'haha, it was just a joke, isn't that funny'. A rapist may not have a reason, but a story needs a reason to show rape. Reading comprehension and stuff. |
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rememberthecity said: Another example in the wild. Of course you haven't seen it, you don't want to see it. Maybe you should think about why you "don't mind" before putting up an incredibly fragile, mouth-frothing defense. There's so much writing out there by people much smarter than you or me deconstructing "arguments" that always pop up whenever rape is used so carelessly and casually in a work, the very same arguments all over this thread. If you haven't read them by now, no comment of mine will convince you to. That's why I say uncritical. There's no desire to actually think, just the impulse to defend because criticism of a show is taken as a personal attack. It's exactly how children and adolescents think and behave. Even though it's a seinen, I'm sure a lot of the people watching it aren't actually adults. It's obvious by the childish responses you get when you criticize how badly adult themes are being handled in these shows. You can dispense with the wholly unwarranted arrogance and condescension. First of all, you do not know my age, nor is it relevant, and neither does engaging in personal attacks based on presumed knowledge (i.e. entirely baseless assumptions) serve to demonstrate any example of maturity, intelligence, or wisdom. Note - I did not assert that you are not mature, intelligent, or wise. You very well may be. Simply that the behavior on display here is not something which serves as any mark or indicator of it. I have zero interest in getting in the type of back and forth ad hominem personal attack mud-slinging fests which this place and so much of the internet is rife with, so let's stick to the actual arguments raised. Please do not insult me and make assumptions about my age, intelligence, or character and I will return the favor and likewise not engage in such needless behavior directed toward you as it only degrades a conversation and shifts it away from the fundamentals the moment it appears. Now, on to the actual disagreement. It isn't a question of intelligence. Reviewing, critiquing, or analyzing a series is not akin to solving a math formula. There is no objective answer, no objective right, and no objective truth. It's completely and utterly subjective and opinion-based, depending on the ideology and worldview of those writing. Someone offered a critique of a portrayal of rape, this series in particular, or both things? People of varying intelligence levels can disagree with it and state their reasons as to why. Further, I've read the entirety of this topic thread days ago. And have read plenty of related subject matter on this site and many places elsewhere on the same topic, in article, blog, and video format, etc. from many angles. No, reading something does not mean I will magically agree with it. This sounds almost missionary-esque, as if all people have to do to believe in or agree with the Bible or Quran is just to read it. No, it is perfectly possible and plausible to be well-versed in such material and reject it utterly out of core value differences among other reasons, and be able to articulate why when and if need be. Now I need to correct some other mistaken assumptions you made. I have no blind allegiance to this series - there's very few series and pieces of art in general I feel that way about out of thousands seen, read, and otherwise experienced. It certainly doesn't apply to a series I have seen all of the two released episodes of, which I have not rated yet (as I refrain for any series I have not yet seen in full), and I have no idea to what degree I'll end up liking in the end or even whether I will at all. There are two released episodes as of now. No one here, to my knowledge, has seen more than two, and most of the criticism is directed toward the last scene of the first episode. People attacked that scene and stated why. I as well as some others for their own reasons and based on their own beliefs/opinions stated disagreement with that criticism and why. Certainly not what I consider blind allegiance and neither side is what I'd consider "mouth-frothing". Someone disagreeing with your or others' reasons for disliking and criticizing a scene is not blind allegiance just because two potentially irreconcilable positions are held. Anymore than I can accuse you or others of "blind hatred", which I did not. When someone says something I disagree with, I assume they probably have a reason for their position, of which knowing does not in any way necessarily mean it will make me agree with it or alter my own stance at all, but I don't just assume it is blind faith or something similar and this doesn't seem reasonable or logical. So again, I have read the relevant criticisms. I outright disagree with them. The people who hold and express them likely also maintain and are in part espousing aspects of an ideology/worldview I also outright disagree with, which is one to me which is hypocritical and morally puritanical, placing certain actions on a pedestal while others are normalized. There is absolutely no reason, none, that a character committing a rape in any series or film requires any greater narrative justification whatsoever than a character committing a theft/looting or robbery, murder, assault, kidnapping, torture, blackmail/extortion, or any other potentially violent or criminal action. There is nothing which sets rape apart from any other act of coercion or violence. That is the point I raised in my last post and which you have not answered as to whether you believe is untrue, and if so, why. Requiring one specific act be held to such a standard in its portrayals, a double standard, to the exclusion of all else, is 100% baseless, needless, and hypocritical. It seems very reminiscent to me of a haughty Judeo-Christian attitude toward sex and all sex-related offenses and real or perceived transgressions, and the modern secularized equivalent of that dogmatic ideology. |
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| It's seinen, it is what it is. Such handling of material is to be expected. The style and art direction is already a dead giveaway that such stuff will be handled in the most comical/unapologetic way like how Stanley Kubrick and Ken Russell does it. Being guised as your typical shonen isn't making it any lesser than what it really is. |
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| It's a generic shonen with a rape scene. |
| The truly intelligent person is one who can pretend to be a fool in front of a fool who pretends to be intelligent. |
| It’s a dark fantasy ecchi. I’ve got nothing to complain |
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| this is just a simple power fantasy dont mind the rape it doesnt really have much meaning since the nun was literally a no name character |
| Eh, it's as I always say, it's harder to find a good Seinen than a good Shonen. Seinen authors just throw out a bunch of nonsensical violence and rape that and think it makes for an engaging story. |
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| I know right , I love it. It's like lightning in a bottle. Seriously when I watched this I thought, "Oh the 2nd season of Panty & Stocking with Garterbelt finally came out huh, took them long enough". This is the kind of cartoonish anime I can actually appreciate, not shit like One punch man, BNHA and JoJo. This is the legitimate offspring of anime and cartoons. |
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