| quite neat that this thread appeared while i'm re-watching the show... for the 4h time best from the trinity imo. konaka's best script. ABe's best scenario (somehow even better than what he did with Lain and Haibane). the city of lux and the surface world are my favorite anime setting. i really think it benefits from not being a one cour show like Lain, which sometimes felt it could go slower. Mustang2000 said: I watched it and people say that the ending is quite optimistic which i dont think is the case at all. can somebody explain how texhnolyze is optimistic? spoilers below people push it a bit when they say it's 'optimistic', but they got a point. it's technically bleak, considering what happens, but try considering this: Ichise started out as a wild animal. he only knew how to grunt and tried to survive. throughout the duration of the series, he started questioning what it is that he wanted to do and where it is that he wanted to go, and found that answer through his connection with other people - mainly Ran, Oniishi, Doc and Toyama. Ran is someone who's passive muteness is actively reinforced by her. she sees the future and resigns to it. 'nothing ever changes' - she says (ep.10) after the future she saw for Yoshii comes true. Ichise is the opposite. he knows the future too, but even then he decides he'll walk his path until the end. and he does exactly that. there's no light at the end of the tunnel, but he's content he walked on his own two feet all the way till the end there's this whole thing going on about Ichise's eyes. it's the thing that made Doc pick him up at the first place. it's the fire that burns within him and somehow got lost on others and also, there's a poetic instance where the people who died will be reborn as raffia. you can't say the same about the ones who choose evolution. they'll be forever imprisioned (and that's a hell of a creepy ending) |
llorandoSep 29, 2021 10:47 AM
t5ub454w0kud454i said: @Mustang2000 Episode 19, when they get to the surface, its beautiful, the vibrant, calm atmosphere under an endless blue sky, but you can't help but think something's off about this place. Episode 20, eventually you realize what the surface is like and and it is really creepy, not only creepy but it also feels cold. Its like that feeling you have sometimes when you go outside in the fall, winter or early spring, when theres a clear blue sky, with the sun shining brightly, and not much wind, but its so cold. And not much people are outside either. Anyway now that I think about it, Texhnolyze is an anime about the Holocaust. Towards the end of the series, Lux turned out to be one massive concentration camp thats governed by "The Class" in accordance with the surface. After that, everyone in Lux goes insane as theres nothing to hold it together. The last episode is name "Myth" because since everyone dies in the end no one knows what happened here in Lux, as there is no one to tell the tale, everything that has happened eventually becomes buried by the sands of time, becoming a fictionalized story, leading to only speculation and bits and pieces of information and left over artifacts to piece together a story. No one knows that the Nazis were committing genocide against Jews and other people, and when the allies started taking back Europe, all the immates of the camps were either murdered, or deported and all records, including names of everyone whos registered were destroyed and so too were archives of evidence, where alot of unrecorded events and stories lost forver to history, leaving only the handful of survivors to tell what they know. Thats why the death toll, number of immates, torture, etc are only approximations, because alot of the evidence was destroyed and no one knows anything further than that. The same can be said for many ancient civilizations and their innovations, cultures or ideas, when their civilization collapses or get conqured by another. So many things could have been lost which might have made today thousands of years ahead of current times, or changed many things in history and today as we know it. As it is mentioned somewhere in the middle of the anime, you only find Raffia there because there was an holocaust in the past, and this new destruction should rather be seen as the Final Judgment. Concerning your other comment, this reverse Plato's cave was a good idea. Regarding your last comment, there is still enough evidence to easily disprove the "theories" of negationists. |
Meusnier said: t5ub454w0kud454i said: @Mustang2000 Episode 19, when they get to the surface, its beautiful, the vibrant, calm atmosphere under an endless blue sky, but you can't help but think something's off about this place. Episode 20, eventually you realize what the surface is like and and it is really creepy, not only creepy but it also feels cold. Its like that feeling you have sometimes when you go outside in the fall, winter or early spring, when theres a clear blue sky, with the sun shining brightly, and not much wind, but its so cold. And not much people are outside either. Anyway now that I think about it, Texhnolyze is an anime about the Holocaust. Towards the end of the series, Lux turned out to be one massive concentration camp thats governed by "The Class" in accordance with the surface. After that, everyone in Lux goes insane as theres nothing to hold it together. The last episode is name "Myth" because since everyone dies in the end no one knows what happened here in Lux, as there is no one to tell the tale, everything that has happened eventually becomes buried by the sands of time, becoming a fictionalized story, leading to only speculation and bits and pieces of information and left over artifacts to piece together a story. No one knows that the Nazis were committing genocide against Jews and other people, and when the allies started taking back Europe, all the immates of the camps were either murdered, or deported and all records, including names of everyone whos registered were destroyed and so too were archives of evidence, where alot of unrecorded events and stories lost forver to history, leaving only the handful of survivors to tell what they know. Thats why the death toll, number of immates, torture, etc are only approximations, because alot of the evidence was destroyed and no one knows anything further than that. The same can be said for many ancient civilizations and their innovations, cultures or ideas, when their civilization collapses or get conqured by another. So many things could have been lost which might have made today thousands of years ahead of current times, or changed many things in history and today as we know it. As it is mentioned somewhere in the middle of the anime, you only find Raffia there because there was an holocaust in the past, and this new destruction should rather be seen as the Final Judgment. Concerning your other comment, this reverse Plato's cave was a good idea. Regarding your last comment, there is still enough evidence to easily disprove the "theories" of negationists. This is completely unrelated to the topic, but I just wanna say I love your taste. Really dope seeing other people love Chihayafuru! |
Krns said: Meusnier said: As it is mentioned somewhere in the middle of the anime, you only find Raffia there because there was an holocaust in the past, and this new destruction should rather be seen as the Final Judgment. Concerning your other comment, this reverse Plato's cave was a good idea. Regarding your last comment, there is still enough evidence to easily disprove the "theories" of negationists. This is completely unrelated to the topic, but I just wanna say I love your taste. Really dope seeing other people love Chihayafuru! Oh, thank you very much for your kind words! Indeed, this is such a bristling gem. |
t5ub454w0kud454i said: Meusnier said: As it is mentioned somewhere in the middle of the anime, you only find Raffia there because there was an holocaust in the past, and this new destruction should rather be seen as the Final Judgment. Concerning your other comment, this reverse Plato's cave was a good idea. Regarding your last comment, there is still enough evidence to easily disprove the "theories" of negationists. When you said "theories" of negationists, are you referring to Holocaust denial? I came up with that comment after I watched the movie Persian Stories lol. And yeah, of course theres more than enough evidence. What I was referring to is the detailed stuff like exact number of people, number of deaths, there could be more things that happened which nobody knows about, because either no one was there to witness it, the witnesses were killed too, or only the commandants of the camps knows, but they took all that to the grave, leading to speculation of those events of the Holocaust or WW2, lost forever to history. Don't know if you've seen it but, in the end, the guy's in the allied camp and the officer asks him for an estimate of how many people passed through the concentration camp, to which he replies about 25,000 to 30,000. Then, if he remembers anyone and asks for a few names, the guy says that they can check the camp register of everyone who's passed through the camp, to which the officer explains that there are no registers, and all the records are destroyed. Similar to the stuff lost forever to history, like the Library of Alexandria, and the Machinima videos that are gone forever, the last episode of Texhnolyze is called "myth" because in the end, there is nothing recorded to tell what happened. The rooted shapes, the guns, the dead bodies, and buildings, will all decay and disintegrate, leaving Lux buried by the sands of time and its very existence becoming fictionalized, a myth, a legend what happened. Another example of this is Ancient Civilizations and detailed knowledge of them. The Antikythera Mechanism for example, which was basically the first analog computer was discovered in the early 20th century. Similar complexities in machinery and precison weren't seen until like a millennia later during the Renaissance (maybe because of the rediscovery of the past?), which means that civilizations like Ancient Greece could be alot more advanced than we think. Yes, this is what I was referring to. And what those people are trying to assert is that either the Shoah did not occur or that much less than the "mythical" number of 6 millions people died (typically below a half-million), and very precise counting already permit to reach 5 millions of victims. No, I do not know about this precise point, but there are many more ways to find robust lower bounds, and notice that those are precisely what such official resources give: https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/documenting-numbers-of-victims-of-the-holocaust-and-nazi-persecution Indeed, but even if those events had happened in a place out of the open where some things would be preserved by the climate, it is only because humanity will soon disappear that nothing will remain. As such, this is not even a myth. I did not know about the Antikythera Mechanism! But that seems extremely speculative to imagine that they had more advanced technology than their writing reports. |
| I mean... it would never happen in reality, characters way out there... 7/10, because such stories have value only if human nature is displayed not only with its madness but overall intelligence, benevolence and everything else. You cant put out only the part of humanity that leads to disasters and think you made a good story... If you enjoyed the blueprint of the story you need to check out the game pathologic2 |
QuasarAfterLifeOct 24, 2021 8:55 PM
alotlikecars said: Texhnolyze is a depressive story with an end like that because beyond anything it's meant to be taken as a warning. You also wrote that it would never happen in real life, but what it warns about is exactly what we're currently going through in real life. This is why Chiaki Konaka is known as a visionary writer whose understanding of the world around him is far more advanced than those of his peers. Same also happened with Serial Experiments Lain, but with Texhnolyze, it's on a much much bigger scale. To build a believable story, you need believable characters, unfortunately all of them act extremely inhumanly, some dialogues are forced for the sake of the storytelling. Example: "Yoshii what is like the world above?" "It's like another world, you would never understand" But in reality, we get to know the world above and also its story in like 1 episode time, it could easily be told in like 15 minutes, then all his actions are ones of a mad man completely serial-killer like, not justifiable in any way... Sure i liked the suspense and the action, but its not believable at all. This is the problem i have with the show, every protagonist is so far up into their ass, it loses all credibility in my eyes. What a true masterpiece would have done, is to tell a story that faces the same themes, but with evolving human-like characters, like in reality. The only exception is Ichise, who changes and acts like a human being at the end, unfortunately, only 2 episodes out of 22 contain 1 character that is believable, to me this is too little. Said so, the themes of the story are very important, for sure are valuable, i liked the action, suspense, atmosphere and also the futuristic look, which makes it a very good anime worth watching, one of the best of his genre... |
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