If the MC is supposed to super intelligent, how come...?

MumenWriter said:
So let me start by saying I've only seen the first episode and half of the second. In the first episode when they're playing the "Yes" and "No" coin game, Yuuichi is the reader for the fourth question. The way the game works is essentially the minority dictates the outcome if the vote is not unanimous. So if he wanted a "Yes" outcome, why wouldn't he ask a question with an obvious "No" answer and just vote "Yes"? Isn't that what the first three people did except just the inverse? They asked obvious "Yes" questions and just voted "No" to control the outcome. Instead, Yuuichi foolishly asks an obvious "Yes" question and expects the outcome to be "Yes" as long as he votes "Yes" which doesn't make any sense to me. Am I missing something here? I stopped watching halfway through the second episode because the show was trying to make him seem like a genius when he clearly made a stupid mistake. I also don't care to watch the rest of this so feel free to spoil if necessary.

MumenWriter said:
So let me start by saying I've only seen the first episode and half of the second. In the first episode when they're playing the "Yes" and "No" coin game, Yuuichi is the reader for the fourth question. The way the game works is essentially the minority dictates the outcome if the vote is not unanimous. So if he wanted a "Yes" outcome, why wouldn't he ask a question with an obvious "No" answer and just vote "Yes"? Isn't that what the first three people did except just the inverse? They asked obvious "Yes" questions and just voted "No" to control the outcome. Instead, Yuuichi foolishly asks an obvious "Yes" question and expects the outcome to be "Yes" as long as he votes "Yes" which doesn't make any sense to me. Am I missing something here? I stopped watching halfway through the second episode because the show was trying to make him seem like a genius when he clearly made a stupid mistake. I also don't care to watch the rest of this so feel free to spoil if necessary.

itsrj20 said:
"Am i missing something?" literally bruh, complete the episode, watch at least first 3 episodes, then drop or whatever you want to do. How come you pause it in the middle, and just went to create a thread, without watching it till the end. (I am not saying anything regarding him been intelligent or not, just complete the episode, at least.)

shash_sama18 said:

BTW Adding this statement to my previous thread here:

The thing was not only about winning with answers "Yes" or "No" but that game was important to identify if there is any traitor among his friends or not and he wanted to identify how this game works, Although there is a fun fact

MumenWriter said:
So let me start by saying I've only seen the first episode and half of the second. In the first episode when they're playing the "Yes" and "No" coin game, Yuuichi is the reader for the fourth question. The way the game works is essentially the minority dictates the outcome if the vote is not unanimous. So if he wanted a "Yes" outcome, why wouldn't he ask a question with an obvious "No" answer and just vote "Yes"? Isn't that what the first three people did except just the inverse? They asked obvious "Yes" questions and just voted "No" to control the outcome. Instead, Yuuichi foolishly asks an obvious "Yes" question and expects the outcome to be "Yes" as long as he votes "Yes" which doesn't make any sense to me. Am I missing something here? I stopped watching halfway through the second episode because the show was trying to make him seem like a genius when he clearly made a stupid mistake. I also don't care to watch the rest of this so feel free to spoil if necessary.

MumenWriter said:


I completely agree that I could be missing something; that's why I asked. Like I'm more than willing to finish episode 2 and beyond if my question is answered in the remainder of the episode or even further episodes. I guess the point of this forum is to ask whether my question eventually gets answered or if it's just overlooked for the rest of the series in which case I would just not continue. I had this question at the end of episode 1 and I went into episode 2 hoping they would address it. The way episode 2 was heading, it seemed like they weren't ever going to address the fact that he asked the wrong question. So I guess I'm simply asking whether that eventually gets addressed or not.

official_brown said:

This is explained later in the anime. Generally you should watch everything before asking a question, especially when the show is a mystery. I will say this is kind of a dumb thread because you stopped watching a show when it hasn’t even explained it. It’s a mystery bruh.

Also, drop if it’s boring. Even if it was an oversight or plot hole, is one small mistake enough for you to drop something? If it’s not entertaining, I get it, but that’s a little much.

MumenWriter said:
So let me start by saying I've only seen the first episode and half of the second. In the first episode when they're playing the "Yes" and "No" coin game, Yuuichi is the reader for the fourth question. The way the game works is essentially the minority dictates the outcome if the vote is not unanimous. So if he wanted a "Yes" outcome, why wouldn't he ask a question with an obvious "No" answer and just vote "Yes"? Isn't that what the first three people did except just the inverse? They asked obvious "Yes" questions and just voted "No" to control the outcome. Instead, Yuuichi foolishly asks an obvious "Yes" question and expects the outcome to be "Yes" as long as he votes "Yes" which doesn't make any sense to me. Am I missing something here? I stopped watching halfway through the second episode because the show was trying to make him seem like a genius when he clearly made a stupid mistake. I also don't care to watch the rest of this so feel free to spoil if necessary.

itsrj20 said:

I guess, you are misunderstanding what was the situation, in the first few episodes, perhaps, because of poor translation or because you haven't completed it, yet. Anyway, Yuuichi thought, they all are friends, and there isn't any traitor(s) among them, until he got a wrong answer, for his (yuuichi's) question, then he realized there's a traitor initially trying to push all the debt to yutori. Now, as for your question, there were two conditions (afaik). The rule stated that, if the coin went to "yes", the game would be cleared, and if it went to "no", his debt would be halved. If he would have chose a better question (which he didn't, because of trust and what i am going to mention), it goes to "yes" and the game would have been cleared. But, they will loose in this situation, since he won't be able to meet the condition to half his debt (which is more imp than getting out of the game), unless he picks "no", and he won't be able to find out who was the traitor (another imp thing), who pushed everyone into this game. There was also a chance, that traitor will sabotage the question again as it was already happening, and end up with pushing all the debt, towards yutori only. (as i already said earlier)

I ended up explaining/spoiling all of them, tho, i am anime only myself.

MumenWriter said:


This was actually a helpful response. It at least gave me some insight into why he didn't just ask a question with an obvious "No" answer and just vote "Yes"
I just wanted to know where this was heading before I continue (either with the show or manga) because I didn't want to get far only to be unsatisfied with the direction.

shash_sama18 said:

BTW Adding this statement to my previous thread here:

The thing was not only about winning with answers "Yes" or "No" but that game was important to identify if there is any traitor among his friends or not and he wanted to identify how this game works, Although there is a fun fact

MumenWriter said:
So let me start by saying I've only seen the first episode and half of the second. In the first episode when they're playing the "Yes" and "No" coin game, Yuuichi is the reader for the fourth question. The way the game works is essentially the minority dictates the outcome if the vote is not unanimous. So if he wanted a "Yes" outcome, why wouldn't he ask a question with an obvious "No" answer and just vote "Yes"? Isn't that what the first three people did except just the inverse? They asked obvious "Yes" questions and just voted "No" to control the outcome. Instead, Yuuichi foolishly asks an obvious "Yes" question and expects the outcome to be "Yes" as long as he votes "Yes" which doesn't make any sense to me. Am I missing something here? I stopped watching halfway through the second episode because the show was trying to make him seem like a genius when he clearly made a stupid mistake. I also don't care to watch the rest of this so feel free to spoil if necessary.

shash_sama18 said:

BTW Adding this statement to my previous thread here:

The thing was not only about winning with answers "Yes" or "No" but that game was important to identify if there is any traitor among his friends or not and he wanted to identify how this game works, Although there is a fun fact

V1P3R0P said:

The question needs to be simple enough, everyone playing should know the answer, like "There are 7 days in a week".

The rule doesn't mention the answer for the question should always be "Yes". A "No" question can also be asked. As long as the coin is pointing at the actual answer of the question, It will be considered a correct answer.

Hence, if Yuichi asks a question with an obvious "No" answer and moves his finger towards the "Yes", It doesn't change a shit. By minority rule, It will still be a wrong answer for the question.

And yes, He could've pointed to wrong answer like the person who was actually pointing to the wrong answer (Yes, There's a traitor). But it will still be minority, unless one other friend realizes what was happening and does the same. That makes the vote for correct answer a minority. Hence a correct answet.



Also, Game 1 and majority of game 2 doesn't show the true face of Yuichi. At the end of game 2 and onwards, the real deal happens, But this has been toned down a lot in anime version.

My advise, read the manga. It has awesome art and crazy plot twists as the story goes on.

MumenWriter said:


Not sure if there's a difference in our translations, but in the episode I watched they translated his card like this:

If the 10 yen coin goes to "yes," you clear the game.
If the 10 yen coin goes to "no," only the reader's debt will be halved.

Nothing was said about the actual correctness or incorrectness of the answer to the question.

V1P3R0P said:

you are not wrong. The card did mention that. But that is not the actual rule of the game.


The card did mention, taking the coin to Yes will win the round. But, as everyone here told, he trusted everyone, hence he didnt follow the instruction and went with a yes question and pointed at yes. After that round, it hit him that someone was trying to sabotage the game.

Note: In the image above It should be 2 million Yen and 400 Thousand Yen. But there was a translation error iirc

MumenWriter said:
So let me start by saying I've only seen the first episode and half of the second. In the first episode when they're playing the "Yes" and "No" coin game, Yuuichi is the reader for the fourth question. The way the game works is essentially the minority dictates the outcome if the vote is not unanimous. So if he wanted a "Yes" outcome, why wouldn't he ask a question with an obvious "No" answer and just vote "Yes"? Isn't that what the first three people did except just the inverse? They asked obvious "Yes" questions and just voted "No" to control the outcome. Instead, Yuuichi foolishly asks an obvious "Yes" question and expects the outcome to be "Yes" as long as he votes "Yes" which doesn't make any sense to me. Am I missing something here? I stopped watching halfway through the second episode because the show was trying to make him seem like a genius when he clearly made a stupid mistake. I also don't care to watch the rest of this so feel free to spoil if necessary.

MumenWriter said:


From my understanding, meeting the condition for "No" to halve his debt was never important because in order to clear the game he had to break the speaking rule which would double his debt and return it to the original amount anyway. So there wasn't really a way for him to clear the game AND halve his debt.

MumenWriter said:
The point about Yuuichi using his question to determine whether there was someone targeting Yutori Kokorogi is a valid point and definitely would explain why he didn't just ask an obvious "No" question instead. However, the show doesn't really make it clear that THIS is the reason he should be considered smart.

MumenWriter said:
At that point, the show makes it seem like Yuuichi's goal is to clear the game and protect Yutori Kokorogi from harboring all the debt, which he accomplishes by speaking and lying about the rule change. That's what didn't make sense to me. The way episode 2 was heading, it made it seem like Yuuichi was a genius for coming up with a lie and clearing the game. The people observing him even pointed out how they were impressed because no one had managed to clear the game after it reached the fifth question.

MumenWriter said:
Given what was presented at the time, the people observing Yuuichi should think he's an idiot because the people observing him think he's trying to clear the game and he could have easily done so by just asking an obvious "No" question.

MumenWriter said:
So let me start by saying I've only seen the first episode and half of the second. In the first episode when they're playing the "Yes" and "No" coin game, Yuuichi is the reader for the fourth question. The way the game works is essentially the minority dictates the outcome if the vote is not unanimous. So if he wanted a "Yes" outcome, why wouldn't he ask a question with an obvious "No" answer and just vote "Yes"? Isn't that what the first three people did except just the inverse? They asked obvious "Yes" questions and just voted "No" to control the outcome. Instead, Yuuichi foolishly asks an obvious "Yes" question and expects the outcome to be "Yes" as long as he votes "Yes" which doesn't make any sense to me. Am I missing something here? I stopped watching halfway through the second episode because the show was trying to make him seem like a genius when he clearly made a stupid mistake. I also don't care to watch the rest of this so feel free to spoil if necessary.

shash_sama18 said:

Just watched 1 & a half episode and asking "Am I missing something?"

If you don't get satisfied by watching anime, then just go & read the manga and think for yourself how he is a genuine genius

MumenWriter said:
So let me start by saying I've only seen the first episode and half of the second. In the first episode when they're playing the "Yes" and "No" coin game, Yuuichi is the reader for the fourth question. The way the game works is essentially the minority dictates the outcome if the vote is not unanimous. So if he wanted a "Yes" outcome, why wouldn't he ask a question with an obvious "No" answer and just vote "Yes"? Isn't that what the first three people did except just the inverse? They asked obvious "Yes" questions and just voted "No" to control the outcome. Instead, Yuuichi foolishly asks an obvious "Yes" question and expects the outcome to be "Yes" as long as he votes "Yes" which doesn't make any sense to me. Am I missing something here? I stopped watching halfway through the second episode because the show was trying to make him seem like a genius when he clearly made a stupid mistake. I also don't care to watch the rest of this so feel free to spoil if necessary.

itsrj20 said:

Not at the moment, the reason they had to continue the game, and yuuichi ended up getting debt, in order to help her and Clear the game further and all of the things i mentioned. It's One thing happening after another.
As i said, in my first comment, i am not saying anything regarding how smart he is or he isn't, i am waiting for further conclusion.

So, you ended up completing the fifth episode too? Great, lol.

I myself didn't took interest in yuuichi until "friendly hide and seek game", but from that point, i guess he is somewhat intelligent and capable at manipulation. I am still not considering him super intelligent, just on the basis of this first season. (i mean like, stone-paper game, that one i predicted in first few seconds, which makes me as smart as yuuichi, for coming up with such a plan? heh xD). But maybe by the end of the manga, or after next season, who knows?

Blaze_1100 said:

Well you can predict everything while sitting in your room peacefully
but yuicchi devised the plan while he was stabbed several times in the hand and was bleeding heavily while being surrounded by 50 to 60 enemies
"It takes more of a genius to devise a plan than to figure out the plan"
- some random dude

itsrj20 said:
Again, i didn't said, he isn't capable of, i just said i didn't find it as of now from 1 season only, and i especially mentioned "maybe in future." If you don't half read again.

itsrj20 said:

I think, you point out only what you understand or what you want to point out, while ignoring everything that is said in support. Anyway, it doesn't matter whether I am planning while sitting in my room or while fighting 40-50 people, why?? Because that plan doesn't talk about how Yuuichi is the mastermind/genius, whereas the thread is about that. The author (while he was writing this) was also sitting somewhere PEACEFULLY, not fighting with 40-50 people, and he came up with this trick, which to some people (vast minority) is "very shocking" or " never saw that coming ". (As most of them acknowledge that, that part is nothing about this "*insert* thread topic again").


"Half read/knowledge is dangerous than no/complete knowledge."
~ Random Reader

Blaze_1100 said:

yeah here we go again
what the hell is Wong with your mind dude
obviously I would point out what I want to I didn't say your opinion was wrong or anything

Blaze_1100 said:
but the point you included that ' I predicted it so it makes me as smart as yuuichi ' is absolutely incorrect
are you making what I had to say by your own without me saying it?
and who the hell is talking about yuuichi's writer I'm talking about the fictional character

Blaze_1100 said:
And I can guarantee you if you were in the same situation where he was you would be cying in pain much less devising a plan to take revenge
that's your problem, most of people think they are the smartest but that isn't the case.

Blaze_1100 said:
I never said yuuichi is very smart or very manipulative you made it up yourself and now you are arguing about something that I never said.
and to be clear once again
I'm talking about the fictional character not his writer.

Blaze_1100 said:
"Well you can predict everything while sitting in your room peacefully
but yuicchi devised the plan while he was stabbed several times in the hand and was bleeding heavily while being surrounded by 50 to 60 enemies
"It takes more of a genius to devise a plan than to figure out the plan"

Blaze_1100 said:
"The people who think they are smart are the most dumbest of all "
- that same random dude

Blaze_1100 said:

it's like watching 10 minutes of a movie and ask
"Am I mIsSinG SoMethIng?😂"
give the anime a proper chance to draw you in
when you reach EP 5 you will get the answers to all your questions yourself..

itsrj20 said:

This is what happens when you half read, as i said earlier. You are ignoring all the things i mentioned and just pinpointed a single sentence, where i said something as sarcasm, i know you are not going to previous comment to confirm it, but let me make it easy for you, as you understand 10% and ignore 90%. Here is what i said "that one i predicted in first few seconds, which makes me as smart as yuuichi, for coming up with such a plan? heh xD". If you still can't understand what it means, please don't reply again.

Read topic thread again, as i have mentioned it before too. Not going to explain same thing thrice. All the things i mentioned is according to "OP comment" and "thread title", and whatever you said doesn't match up with anything of it.

Sorry, i have no fantasies of being in such cases, i don't care if you have one or two.

Ok, now the important part,

This whole statement contradicts your previous one, your random quote which you put to look Cool, backfired on you.

Says: "I never said yuuichi is very smart or very manipulative"
Also he says: "yuicchi devised the plan while he was stabbed " and "It takes more of a genius to devise a plan."


All you did is pissed off ("yeah here we go again
what the hell is Wong with your mind dude"), and came up with an illogical paragraph, when i said something being about predicting a plan, in a sarcastic way, in earlier comments to someone else. Your point of saying "i am talking about fictional character" while not talking about "author" is also crap, because "THREAD IS ABOUT WHY PEOPLE THINK YUUICHI IS GENIUS" and you just talking about me only, with whatever you can come up to Cover it.

"I am not going to reply anymore, unless you come up with something logical and related to thread in a civil way, "not related to me" without being toxic."
~ Some random dude

Blaze_1100 said:

Seriously talking to people is such a pain
well the "important part" you mentioned was that I said "yuicchi devised a plan while being stabbed " and after that I said " I didn't say that yuuichi is very intelligent or manipulative"
I am still saying that yuuichi isn't very smart
but you made a point that I figured the whole thing out so I'm as smart as yuuichi
what I'm saying is that you figured out the plan doesn't means that you are as smart as yuuichi ( i still never said yuuichi is very smart )
I was correcting your statement that if you figure out a plan doesn't means that you can devise the same plan under those circumstances and it doesn't make you as smart as the person who devised it ( I'm using a degree of comparison between the guy who devised the plan and the guy who figured it out and I'm not saying the guy who devised is very smart he is just comparatively smarter than the guy who figured it out )
if you seriously still don't get my point well idk what to do....

itsrj20 said:

This is the third or 4th time when i am saying, i said it in a sarcastic way (please re read the first paragraph of previous comment again) and all the time, you are just fixated on that single sentence, like you have some grudge against it. You are the one who don't get my point, anyway i have said enough in previous reply and most probably have said it all. Not going to write same thing again and again, tho. As whoever going to read it will get repeated thing thrice or more.
Have a great day/night.