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JustaGermanGuy_ said:
I thought at least the attack on Lizard Man made it clear that he is the Villain

This arc still doesn't make him a full-fledged villain, as he effectively subdued them without much destruction or genocide, simply by acting as a well-intentioned extremist.

Sep 23, 2022 11:48 AM

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All I know is the kingdom of Re’Esteze (<—butchered) getting absolutely railed 2 seasons in a row has gotta be a hate crime🤣

Sep 23, 2022 11:54 AM

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Well for starters, the Kingdom has been doomed from the start due to corruption, the incompetency of the royals as well as their war with the Baharuth Empire. They were just delaying the inevitable and Nazarick are technically just speeding up their inevitable destruction.

Also funny you say how this is a tragedy when the

Sep 23, 2022 7:03 PM

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Ainz didn't change. His thinking has always been about how to best benefit Nazarick, and the original plan was to take over Re-Estize through the kingdom's underworld. But since Phillip fucked it up with his immense genius, the plan was no longer viable. Or rather, a better plan was brought to the surface: Show the world that whoever dares to challenge the Sorcerer Kingdom will die a miserable death (the destruction of Re-Estize), whereas whoever brings benefits to the Sorcerer Kingdom will be greatly rewarded (everyone else that Ainz has helped out).

The reason for these extreme measures isn't because Ainz became more and more like a villain, because he always had already lost his humanity from the very start (remember Ainz almost letting Carne Village get destroyed at the start but then got reminded by Touch Me?)
It's simply because it's the easiest way to make sure that no one would dare to make any bold moves.

"But wouldn't this just make Ainz have more enemies who think of the Sorcerer Kingdom as a threat?"
Perhaps. But the number of people who would acknowledge his absolute supremacy will also increase, bringing Nazarick more benefits.

Ainz explained it to Zanac really well, something along the lines of "Yeah there are probably better ways, but why wouldn't I take this opportunity right in front of me when it clearly benefits my people"

Besides, remember the goal of Nazarick, mentioned at the very start by Ainz to Demiurge as a joke but then became the actual goal: World Domination.

Sep 23, 2022 8:35 PM

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For the last half, yes.

It's not that I dislike this genre but... to add unnecessary fan services to/in/for heroines
and ultimately destroys her character and personality; their purity tarnished because of it,
is the only thing I hope to not happen to them. For that sole purity is my fan service.

Sep 23, 2022 9:30 PM

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what??? the skeleton overlord with a harem of vampires and monsters is a bad guy???

Sep 23, 2022 11:17 PM

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I think hanging out with a bunch of demonic creatures with -500 karma rating would effect your alignment pretty significantly, his outlook has always been protecting Nazarick at all costs. With the growth of the Sorcerer Kingdom, the more significant his actions must become to protect himself and his subordinates.

Sep 24, 2022 1:50 AM

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what??? the skeleton overlord with a harem of vampires and monsters is a bad guy???

Don't take my words out of context.

Sep 27, 2022 1:19 AM

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not really. this is an isekai written by what appears ti be an amateur author.

only info I've found in him, is he may have been a writer on a bonus sequel to a widely popular eroge Visual novel from the late 90s, early 00's. can't even remember the name lol.

the story doesn't have a theme, and neither do the arcs. they just kind of happen.

the reason why the kingdom is being exterminated? probably because the author thought it'd be exciting, or just felt it was a nice twist, or an inevitable conclusion.

and yes. he absolutely SLAUGHTERS everyone. there are nearly no survivors from the kingdom after they are finished, so you can ignore those posts.

and finally. Momonga doesn't care about anything in his new world except nazarick itself. never has.

he would wipe out all of the outside world without even a second thought, if his children wanted it, and his guildmates were so-so, or supported it.
the new world means as much to him as a pile of leaves means to most people.

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Sep 27, 2022 5:58 PM

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Ainz has always been like this.
If you remember the very first season with the theocracy, he ordered all the survivors to be tortured.

He has always been a villain thus the name Overlord.

Sep 27, 2022 6:48 PM

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booyah10 said:
Ainz has always been like this.
If you remember the very first season with the theocracy, he ordered all the survivors to be tortured.

He has always been a villain thus the name Overlord.

Yes, villain. But most of the time, he was a typical anti-villain, not a classic villain, which made the story look like a dark fantasy POV of the main evil.

Sep 29, 2022 1:04 PM

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Every one until this season kinda had it coming.

Like those theocracy murderers going from village to village hacking down innocent men, women and children. We saw them trying to butcher a little girl.

So when Ainz cuts them down and takes the survivors away (who murdered many innocent civillians) to be tortured.... well Ainz is saving lives and giving justice.

We see him think of the villagers. He doesn't need anything from them. But he realises they will feel better if he pretends to be helping them because he's greedy.

This was Ainz who was fresh from having heelthy social contact with humans, we'd just seen him earlier in the episode speaking with a fellow human in the real world and remembering the good old times with fellow humans we knew he was some one who had a full time job working with humans and he was logged into the game in his free time.

When floor guardians (Albedo) and when his Attendant Narberul repeatedly referred to humans as insects and worms we saw Ainz was like: Bruh! Don't Be Like That Bruh! Don't be hateful and stuff Bruh! It was really making Ainz feel bad that they kept being prejudiced and hateful towards humans. Ainz really felt that.

But as some one said before me. Spending years in this world with people with -500 Karma every second of the day, from his protective assassins in his private quaters who hide in the shadows, to the maids and floor quardians ... we've seen when Ainz is able to spend time with Nazarickans with nicer Karma he is a better person... He really had a good time when Enri and her sister came to Nazarick with Enri's boyfriend. Human contact brought out laughter and positivity from him. When he's away from Nazarick cosplaying as Momon or saving Dwarves with people with less lethal karma around him, he is happier, like when he was in Baharuth not to cause anyone trouble but to share his enthusiasm for adventuring with other humans.

Oct 10, 2022 11:44 PM

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RobertBobert said:
Am I the only one who got the feeling that I'm watching a tragedy about how the kingdom of people is dying before the attack of the undead? Yes, technically Momonga's goals are good and he has the ability to resurrect, etc., but this season I think he has become too obvious a villain protagonist. Especially after the strange idea of killing civilians.

If something should change thanks to the twist, then I won't mind if you write about it under the spoiler tag.

based, i like where this is going,

i hate the massive amount of goody two shoes protagonists.
villain protagonists are already rare enough

Oct 11, 2022 3:04 AM

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RobertBobert said:
Am I the only one who got the feeling that I'm watching a tragedy about how the kingdom of people is dying before the attack of the undead? Yes, technically Momonga's goals are good and he has the ability to resurrect, etc., but this season I think he has become too obvious a villain protagonist. Especially after the strange idea of killing civilians.

If something should change thanks to the twist, then I won't mind if you write about it under the spoiler tag.

based, i like where this is going,

i hate the massive amount of goody two shoes protagonists.
villain protagonists are already rare enough

I doubt. The villain protagonist has long been a cliché in modern Japanese media.

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how many villain protagonists are there?
care to list them?
so far theres only really light yagami, but he ISN"T a villain protagonist in my eyes.

light yagami wants to do good for the world, in his own twisted sense of JUSTICE. so he still WANTS TO DO what he things is GOOD.
after all villain is subjective, there is no such thing as really a villain,
however, the modern majority popular opinion of a villain nowadays is sadly some one who is selfish and self centered, I am under the opinion that is a stupid logic to judge people on. so WHEN I TALK ABOUT "VILLAIN PROTAGONIST'

i mean some one who for example LITERALLY able rapes and murders everyone they don't like who does whatever that pleases them just as an example.
or perhaps they will stop themselves from doing those things, but NOT because of morality, but because it doesn't benefit them from doing so, aka like an egoist, an egoist doesn't steal things, because doing so will risk retribution, or risk themselves having their things stolen, an egoist doesn't kill because it would make them lose a potential ally etc, or if they provide them with something etc. an egoist doesn't use weak moral links to justify their actions, doing purely pragmatic things for their self interst.

in this sense, ainz is probably the only truly selfish protagonist i've seen.

some one who does whatever they want. with no regard for morals in order to acquire happiness for themselves etc
even johan lebert isn't really the protagonist in that sense.

this type of character LITERALLY doesn't exist, or basically non existent out of 2000 works basically only 2 characters are like this, a character like max stirner.

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Dude, I'm not going to waste my time flooding you just because you suddenly decided to make it personal because I didn't agree with you.

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RobertBobert said:

Neostorm-X said:

based, i like where this is going,

i hate the massive amount of goody two shoes protagonists.
villain protagonists are already rare enough

I doubt. The villain protagonist has long been a cliché in modern Japanese media.

forgot to quote, don't know how the messaging system work still lol.

but anyways, if you got any series with a villain protagonist please list them i'm interested.

and no, any protagonist like light yagami is NOT a villain protagonist, since light still wants to improve the world.

i want a truley malicious protagonist that wants to destroy the world, or some one who does whatever they want.

so far i've only found like one other character like this.
https://myanimelist.net/manga/1408/The_World_Is_Mine
from this manga

Oct 12, 2022 1:47 PM

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RobertBobert said:
Dude, I'm not going to waste my time flooding you just because you suddenly decided to make it personal because I didn't agree with you.

im not lmao, im just asking if you know a lot of villain protagonists.

did I seem angry with you? well i guess its a misunderstanding?
this is how I type all the time and how i usually.
i speak like this to every one, i guess its confusing.

Oct 12, 2022 1:49 PM

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Neostorm-X said:

RobertBobert said:

I doubt. The villain protagonist has long been a cliché in modern Japanese media.

forgot to quote, don't know how the messaging system work still lol.

but anyways, if you got any series with a villain protagonist please list them i'm interested.

and no, any protagonist like light yagami is NOT a villain protagonist, since light still wants to improve the world.

i want a truley malicious protagonist that wants to destroy the world, or some one who does whatever they want.

so far i've only found like one other character like this.
https://myanimelist.net/manga/1408/The_World_Is_Mine
from this manga

Even if we forget that Light gives up trying to improve the world in the middle of the manga, he is still the villain protagonist, because he is literally the villain of the story. Almost official. It's like saying that al-Qaeda are not terrorists because they are just doing something according to their religious belief. That's all, as I said, I'm not going to waste my time on offtopic here.

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It's the process of shifting, that's what we're seeing in this season. If it wasn't obvious before, Momonga makes perfectly obvious here,

I'd say if it weren't for a minority in Nazarick, he'd become unhinged a lot earlier.

Nov 4, 2022 5:47 AM

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It's the process of shifting, that's what we're seeing in this season. If it wasn't obvious before, Momonga makes perfectly obvious here,

I'd say if it weren't for a minority in Nazarick, he'd become unhinged a lot earlier.

Become unhinged? What do you have in mind?

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it didn't shift focus, it transitioned slowly into the extreme. this is where it was always going.

This anime shit is addictive

Nov 4, 2022 6:59 AM

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Become unhinged? What do you have in mind?

He's already pretty unhinged,

he wouldn't have cared one bit, about innocent villagers getting slaughtered.

Nov 4, 2022 12:40 PM

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SofiaBulga said:

RobertBobert said:

Become unhinged? What do you have in mind?

He's already pretty unhinged,

he wouldn't have cared one bit, about innocent villagers getting slaughtered.

I meant that I am not familiar with this English idiom.

Nov 4, 2022 10:35 PM

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RobertBobert said:

I meant that I am not familiar with this English idiom.

Sorry I didn't realize, what it means is loosing the natural feeling that makes someone know what is right and wrong and how they should behave. So your values have changed, arguably for the worse. Is what it means.

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SofiaBulga said:

RobertBobert said:

I meant that I am not familiar with this English idiom.

Sorry I didn't realize, what it means is loosing the natural feeling that makes someone know what is right and wrong and how they should behave. So your values have changed, arguably for the worse. Is what it means.

Does this apply specifically to moral guidelines, or in general to any loss of contact with reality?

Nov 5, 2022 12:16 AM

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RobertBobert said:

Does this apply specifically to moral guidelines, or in general to any loss of contact with reality?

I'd say moral guidelines specifically. But we could also just say unhinged is the same as going insane and no one would disagree.

Nov 5, 2022 12:25 AM

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SofiaBulga said:

RobertBobert said:

Does this apply specifically to moral guidelines, or in general to any loss of contact with reality?

I'd say moral guidelines specifically. But we could also just say unhinged is the same as going insane and no one would disagree.

Well, Google literally translates it into my language as "go crazy" in a broad sense. Anyway, do you think that the writers directly imply that Momonga is experiencing a moral decline as a protagonist?

Nov 5, 2022 1:29 AM

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do you think that the writers directly imply that Momonga is experiencing a moral decline as a protagonist?

Yes and I don't view it as a bad thing either.

Nov 5, 2022 3:42 AM

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SofiaBulga said:

RobertBobert said:
do you think that the writers directly imply that Momonga is experiencing a moral decline as a protagonist?

Yes and I don't view it as a bad thing either.

I doubt that Momonga's "fall into sin" should in any way justify chauvinism and genocide.

Nov 6, 2022 7:19 AM

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I doubt that Momonga's "fall into sin" should in any way justify chauvinism and genocide.

If I see it presented in an interesting way and it's fictional. Then I don't care if he uses his "grasp heart" undead skill, even on an infant, or a pregnant woman. Plus him being an undead is already justification enough, forget about him being human, about him doing it for his NPC's. He just does what is in the nature an an undead to do. He just gets more and more as an undead should be.

Humans and non-humans have different values and thank God for that.

Nov 6, 2022 8:00 AM

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SofiaBulga said:

RobertBobert said:

I doubt that Momonga's "fall into sin" should in any way justify chauvinism and genocide.

If I see it presented in an interesting way and it's fictional. Then I don't care if he uses his "grasp heart" undead skill, even on an infant, or a pregnant woman. Plus him being an undead is already justification enough, forget about him being human, about him doing it for his NPC's. He just does what is in the nature an an undead to do. He just gets more and more as an undead should be.

Humans and non-humans have different values and thank God for that.

It seems to me, or did you just say almost directly that if the protagonist is a rapist, then his rapes are justified by the plot, because he is a rapist and this is subjectively normal for him?

Nov 6, 2022 3:28 PM

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RobertBobert said:

It seems to me, or did you just say almost directly that if the protagonist is a rapist, then his rapes are justified by the plot, because he is a rapist and this is subjectively normal for him?

If the story needs a rapist, then at least, make it an interesting story.

I can and will like anything and everything that happens in a story as long as it's fiction. Can't say for sure if I'll like it as much in live-action (movies, TV series). But as long as it adds an aditional layer to the story, or just surface level shock factor, I will at least appreciate it, even if I'm unable to like it.

Nov 6, 2022 3:33 PM

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SofiaBulga said:

RobertBobert said:

It seems to me, or did you just say almost directly that if the protagonist is a rapist, then his rapes are justified by the plot, because he is a rapist and this is subjectively normal for him?

If the story needs a rapist, then at least, make it an interesting story.

I can and will like anything and everything that happens in a story as long as it's fiction. Can't say for sure if I'll like it as much in live-action (movies, TV series). But as long as it adds an aditional layer to the story, or just surface level shock factor, I will at least appreciate it, even if I'm unable to like it.

I just want to imply that just because a show's protagonist is a villain doesn't mean the show justifies their actions. Even Code Geass eschews this, though the show explicitly romanticizes the teenage revolution.

Nov 6, 2022 3:39 PM

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