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The production schedule is as tight as AOT S4’s part 1 so try to set your expectations just in case.

Apr 10, 2023 7:44 AM

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I really don't understand why people still get so hyped about MAPPA when this stuff is already recurrent.

Apr 10, 2023 7:55 AM

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Almost all Mappa shows have bad production. Mappa has a habit of taking too much stuff and thus ruining the quality of their products. However Mappa's anime still looks much better than the works of your average anime studio like JC staff or Silver Link. So I don't see anything to worry about.

People on twitter were calling the trailers pre animated as well and that turned out to be a lie. I don't trust when twitter starts calling out severe production issues. I don't think it will suffer a full on production breakdown like Nier Automata did at A-1 pictures. It might have some quality dips in some episodes though. That much is expected.

Apr 10, 2023 8:29 AM

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King_KK said:
Almost all Mappa shows have bad production. Mappa has a habit of taking too much stuff and thus ruining the quality of their products. However Mappa's anime still looks much better than the works of your average anime studio like JC staff or Silver Link. So I don't see anything to worry about.

People on twitter were calling the trailers pre animated as well and that turned out to be a lie. I don't trust when twitter starts calling out severe production issues. I don't think it will suffer a full on production breakdown like Nier Automata did at A-1 pictures. It might have some quality dips in some episodes though. That much is expected.

in terms of quality it MAPPA sure comes in top5 or top 3 even with tons of work to do at same time

Apr 10, 2023 8:40 AM

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demonaman293 said:

King_KK said:
Almost all Mappa shows have bad production. Mappa has a habit of taking too much stuff and thus ruining the quality of their products. However Mappa's anime still looks much better than the works of your average anime studio like JC staff or Silver Link. So I don't see anything to worry about.

People on twitter were calling the trailers pre animated as well and that turned out to be a lie. I don't trust when twitter starts calling out severe production issues. I don't think it will suffer a full on production breakdown like Nier Automata did at A-1 pictures. It might have some quality dips in some episodes though. That much is expected.

in terms of quality it MAPPA sure comes in top5 or top 3 even with tons of work to do at same time

Unfotable, Kyoto, Bind, Wit, Bones. top five imo and if OLM does more projects like summertime render then they might get pretty high too, Bug Films also looks hype.

Apr 10, 2023 8:40 AM

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King_KK said:
Almost all Mappa shows have bad production. Mappa has a habit of taking too much stuff and thus ruining the quality of their products. However Mappa's anime still looks much better than the works of your average anime studio like JC staff or Silver Link. So I don't see anything to worry about.

People on twitter were calling the trailers pre animated as well and that turned out to be a lie. I don't trust when twitter starts calling out severe production issues. I don't think it will suffer a full on production breakdown like Nier Automata did at A-1 pictures. It might have some quality dips in some episodes though. That much is expected.

I mean Nier animations were amazing besides ep 1 but it still does have Insane production issues so I get your point

Apr 10, 2023 8:45 AM

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the first half of the first episode already has weak animation too and if you watch a lot of anime you know the first episode is usually one of the best animated episode of the whole anime show

i already commented that the second episode has weak animation too in the episode discussion thread

too many cooks spoil the broth as they say but they cannot help adding more animators because of a tight schedule

im not gonna be surprise to see hiatus on later episodes or the usual covid excuse

Apr 10, 2023 10:46 AM

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deg said:
the first half of the first episode already has weak animation too and if you watch a lot of anime you know the first episode is usually one of the best animated episode of the whole anime show

i already commented that the second episode has weak animation too in the episode discussion thread

too many cooks spoil the broth as they say but they cannot help adding more animators because of a tight schedule

im not gonna be surprise to see hiatus on later episodes or the usual covid excuse

That first point about "the first episode being the best" cannot be considered as a thumb rule. Vinland Saga Season 2 first episode looked mid, but then it kept elevating all the way to the current quality which is quite good, and more consistent than WIT's work, which, notably, had a much much stronger first episode but the quality started dwindling around episode 5-7.
Same with the case of Jigokuraku, the second episode arguably looks better than the first so the rule is already dismissed.
imo it's due to the lack of experienced Animation Directors due to the current state of the industry where the availability of staff is at an all time low due to the crazy amount of anim being produced. They try to make up for it by using more and more inexperienced Animation Directors to maintain quality,

Apr 10, 2023 11:01 AM

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CreepHazard said:

deg said:
the first half of the first episode already has weak animation too and if you watch a lot of anime you know the first episode is usually one of the best animated episode of the whole anime show

i already commented that the second episode has weak animation too in the episode discussion thread

too many cooks spoil the broth as they say but they cannot help adding more animators because of a tight schedule

im not gonna be surprise to see hiatus on later episodes or the usual covid excuse

That first point about "the first episode being the best" cannot be considered as a thumb rule. Vinland Saga Season 2 first episode looked mid, but then it kept elevating all the way to the current quality which is quite good, and more consistent than WIT's work, which, notably, had a much much stronger first episode but the quality started dwindling around episode 5-7.
Same with the case of Jigokuraku, the second episode arguably looks better than the first so the rule is already dismissed.
imo it's due to the lack of experienced Animation Directors due to the current state of the industry where the availability of staff is at an all time low due to the crazy amount of anim being produced. They try to make up for it by using more and more inexperienced Animation Directors to maintain quality,

Even CSM episode 12 was made by more than 50 Animators , ofcourse some work was outsourced but still the quality was top notch and i think CGI and camera work were best in episode 12.
The industry as a whole is in shortage of talents and i think Mappa's planning is really good otherwise they would've already ended up like A1 pictures.
I think Animation will be consistent and action sequences will be amazing.
There are some people who were saying from ep 2 preview that animation quality is declining because studio used gloomy colours in 2nd episode specially for sagiri's backstory but 2nd episode was amazing, specially action scenes were really good , so i won't judge without watching the next episode and the whole season.
Mappa Studio has always prove wrong those people who only complain and Hell's paradise is no exception.

Apr 10, 2023 11:06 AM

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Nizamjarjin said:

CreepHazard said:

That first point about "the first episode being the best" cannot be considered as a thumb rule. Vinland Saga Season 2 first episode looked mid, but then it kept elevating all the way to the current quality which is quite good, and more consistent than WIT's work, which, notably, had a much much stronger first episode but the quality started dwindling around episode 5-7.
Same with the case of Jigokuraku, the second episode arguably looks better than the first so the rule is already dismissed.
imo it's due to the lack of experienced Animation Directors due to the current state of the industry where the availability of staff is at an all time low due to the crazy amount of anim being produced. They try to make up for it by using more and more inexperienced Animation Directors to maintain quality,

Even CSM episode 12 was made by more than 50 Animators , ofcourse some work was outsourced but still the quality was top notch and i think CGI and camera work were best in episode 12.
The industry as a whole is in shortage of talents and i think Mappa's planning is really good otherwise they would've already ended up like A1 pictures.
I think Animation will be consistent and action sequences will be amazing.
There are some people who were saying from ep 2 preview that animation quality is declining because studio used gloomy colours in 2nd episode specially for sagiri's backstory but 2nd episode was amazing, specially action scenes were really good , so i won't judge without watching the next episode and the whole season.
Mappa Studio has always prove wrong those people who only complain and Hell's paradise is no exception.

Of course it's Twin Engine after all, their productions are always well planned. To pull through the animator crisis like this is a feat in itself, moreover they're still paying attention to the action scenes as well. It definitely won't break down midway for sure. If there's anything I'm concerned about it's how long this shortage in animators would last and when anime productions would slow down with milking the western anime-enthusiast rush.

Apr 10, 2023 11:09 AM

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CreepHazard said:

deg said:
the first half of the first episode already has weak animation too and if you watch a lot of anime you know the first episode is usually one of the best animated episode of the whole anime show

i already commented that the second episode has weak animation too in the episode discussion thread

too many cooks spoil the broth as they say but they cannot help adding more animators because of a tight schedule

im not gonna be surprise to see hiatus on later episodes or the usual covid excuse

That first point about "the first episode being the best" cannot be considered as a thumb rule. Vinland Saga Season 2 first episode looked mid, but then it kept elevating all the way to the current quality which is quite good, and more consistent than WIT's work, which, notably, had a much much stronger first episode but the quality started dwindling around episode 5-7.
Same with the case of Jigokuraku, the second episode arguably looks better than the first so the rule is already dismissed.
imo it's due to the lack of experienced Animation Directors due to the current state of the industry where the availability of staff is at an all time low due to the crazy amount of anim being produced. They try to make up for it by using more and more inexperienced Animation Directors to maintain quality,

Vinland saga already had many problems but people ignored those problems but now that mappa is animating VS ,haters would find those problems but those problems are already solved.
There are many improvement in season 2 because of better schedule like Better compositing,better colour grading , improved CGI, Better character design but you won't see people who see things like this because hating the studio anyhow is their goal.
But i do have a one problem, VS S2 is little to no action so I was expecting a lot of character animation but it doesn't have it

NizamjarjinApr 10, 2023 11:14 AM

Apr 10, 2023 12:50 PM

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what are you talking about ep 2 aired already

Apr 10, 2023 2:45 PM

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CreepHazard said:

Of course it's Twin Engine after all, their productions are always well planned. To pull through the animator crisis like this is a feat in itself, moreover they're still paying attention to the action scenes as well. It definitely won't break down midway for sure. If there's anything I'm concerned about it's how long this shortage in animators would last and when anime productions would slow down with milking the western anime-enthusiast rush.

Twin Engine not involve in csm production, it solely Mappa. CSM animation team not involve in Hell Paradise anime, they probably work on JJK s2 and CSM sequel right now.

Apr 10, 2023 2:52 PM

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It was dead by episode 1, forget about 2 ☠️

The really bad thing here is that the Attack on Titan team, after being fucked over by Ponycanyon for 3-4 years, is now being given a generous schedule for aot standards, where they've got 7 extra months on top of the production they've already finished by December. However, they've not started most of the work for Jigo till fairly recently, according to some leakers. For context, Attack on Titan season 4 part 1, with cg titans, which it doesn't seem like Jigo has a ton of CG, had less than 9 months for 16 episodes. So the team legitimately managed to, as soon as they finished with one fucked production, to an even more fucked production. MAPPA really screwed Kawagoe here 😭

Apr 10, 2023 2:53 PM

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todd2580 said:
The production schedule is as tight as AOT S4’s part 1 so try to set your expectations just in case.

Actually even tighter, because Kaori Makita is doing her first TV show, Kawagoe, the animation producer, wasn't forced to work on two shows in the same damn year, and many of the staff members for aot are going into Jigo. ☠️

Apr 10, 2023 2:54 PM

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King_KK said:
Almost all Mappa shows have bad production. Mappa has a habit of taking too much stuff and thus ruining the quality of their products. However Mappa's anime still looks much better than the works of your average anime studio like JC staff or Silver Link. So I don't see anything to worry about.

People on twitter were calling the trailers pre animated as well and that turned out to be a lie. I don't trust when twitter starts calling out severe production issues. I don't think it will suffer a full on production breakdown like Nier Automata did at A-1 pictures. It might have some quality dips in some episodes though. That much is expected.

To be fair, it was all pre animated, to an extent.

Apr 10, 2023 2:55 PM

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Yeah...same old, same old

"Oh my god MAPPA is struggling so hard!"
*meanwhile they just pump out good quality stuff, without any delays each and every season*

Who cares...

Apr 10, 2023 2:56 PM

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deg said:
the first half of the first episode already has weak animation too and if you watch a lot of anime you know the first episode is usually one of the best animated episode of the whole anime show

i already commented that the second episode has weak animation too in the episode discussion thread

too many cooks spoil the broth as they say but they cannot help adding more animators because of a tight schedule

im not gonna be surprise to see hiatus on later episodes or the usual covid excuse

Nah, unlike Aniplex, Twin Engine is a good production studio. They've got connections, and have a very well track record, barring a show or two, when it comes to producing shows. Jigo is one of their weaker ones, but considering they decided to split it, it seems like they are not going to delay it, it'll just be hell till the end

Apr 10, 2023 2:57 PM

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CreepHazard said:

deg said:
the first half of the first episode already has weak animation too and if you watch a lot of anime you know the first episode is usually one of the best animated episode of the whole anime show

i already commented that the second episode has weak animation too in the episode discussion thread

too many cooks spoil the broth as they say but they cannot help adding more animators because of a tight schedule

im not gonna be surprise to see hiatus on later episodes or the usual covid excuse

That first point about "the first episode being the best" cannot be considered as a thumb rule. Vinland Saga Season 2 first episode looked mid, but then it kept elevating all the way to the current quality which is quite good, and more consistent than WIT's work, which, notably, had a much much stronger first episode but the quality started dwindling around episode 5-7.
Same with the case of Jigokuraku, the second episode arguably looks better than the first so the rule is already dismissed.
imo it's due to the lack of experienced Animation Directors due to the current state of the industry where the availability of staff is at an all time low due to the crazy amount of anim being produced. They try to make up for it by using more and more inexperienced Animation Directors to maintain quality,

Uh, that's not entirely the case. Many of the ADs are qualified AF. It's just that AOT is not only higher priority, but also just easier to produce with the time they have, and the production and pre production time they've sank into it. The Jigo team shares a lot with the AOT team.

Apr 10, 2023 3:00 PM

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When don’t they ?

Apr 10, 2023 4:08 PM

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Outsourcing is not something weird to do, and MAPPA does it all the fucking time. But Jigokuraku has look ugly ever since the first episode with the ugly MAPPA filter, they need better directors of photography.

Apr 10, 2023 4:15 PM

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todd2580 said:
The production schedule is as tight as AOT S4’s part 1 so try to set your expectations just in case.

Actually even tighter, because Kaori Makita is doing her first TV show, Kawagoe, the animation producer, wasn't forced to work on two shows in the same damn year, and many of the staff members for aot are going into Jigo. ☠️

makita worked on kakegurui twin before so it's not her direction debut but it wasn't any better production-wise.

Apr 10, 2023 4:19 PM

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King_KK said:
Almost all Mappa shows have bad production. Mappa has a habit of taking too much stuff and thus ruining the quality of their products. However Mappa's anime still looks much better than the works of your average anime studio like JC staff or Silver Link. So I don't see anything to worry about.

People on twitter were calling the trailers pre animated as well and that turned out to be a lie. I don't trust when twitter starts calling out severe production issues. I don't think it will suffer a full on production breakdown like Nier Automata did at A-1 pictures. It might have some quality dips in some episodes though. That much is expected.

it'll break down because mappa isn't organized well as sliver link or liden is too and they work like a factory more than even toei themselves lol.

Apr 10, 2023 5:19 PM

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Hmmm, i've seen these types of probs alr all over their track record so heh ig i don't have to really care since nowadays some anime fans can't let themselves enjoy things without searching itzy bitzy problems even if it has to reach to the point of that one single animator is doing bad cause personal reasons on that certain aspect of animating so they're going to call it out.
Episode 1 look fine certainly not the best to me cause i've alr set my expectations low anyways since i fully accepted myself that this won't be as good as the other dark trios judging by how popular Jigo is so i just have to get used to this artstyle and directing so i'll be able to enjoy this story without hurting myself because of the art style inconsistency whenever they decide to drop a bit then up a bit and so on. I just tend to let what i think looks good while some characters are fighting/talking/pushing the story so i actually enjoy and won't find any big problems rather than nitpicking because of my headcanon thinking tendency lol. Choreography wise i didn't find any probs so far since they look pretty good at least imho. All and all don't let most of the negative side of anime take over your head otherwise you won't be able to enjoy any anime properly whenever they have sudden production issues or drop in animation just for that certain episode unless it's the whole anime that has every aspect inconsistency wise. I see how good that anime is by balancing everything if i don't enjoy the animation or i don't enjoy the story enough through any means imo like plot, the subverting expectations in plot, how interesting the characters are and see how they handle/write them to be (i rather enjoy them as realistically as they can be so they don't feel one-sided/one-dimensional and i actually can get attached to them without trying to get attached to them like automated to do so and this is probably due to how many psychological themed animes/mangas i've seen so far and the ost as well cause i want to see how good the osts are if they rock or not and fit to certain scenes or not. If you want to make a full conclusion how you feel abt this anime and other animes too ofc let it end broadcasting first then you can make a proper review on how you feel abt it, trying to find problems maybe bec you have the feeling to do so or just it's apart of your human psyche even if it's super small to the point like it feels like they're just nitpicks then that's where you suddenly feel like you won't be able to enjoy it and let those problems/nitpicks get stuck on your head and isn't the existence of animes are to teach us something we feel like we need to or want to and see if we get entertained by them since they're mostly are created to make us feel joy/entertained for the sake of our entertainment? i really do feel bad for the Japanese anime industry problems since they have been suffering a lot from them but they're prob alr got used to it so there's almost nothing we can do to change how they feel.

And that is just my opinion imho :D

Apr 10, 2023 6:02 PM

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King_KK said:
Almost all Mappa shows have bad production. Mappa has a habit of taking too much stuff and thus ruining the quality of their products. However Mappa's anime still looks much better than the works of your average anime studio like JC staff or Silver Link. So I don't see anything to worry about.

People on twitter were calling the trailers pre animated as well and that turned out to be a lie. I don't trust when twitter starts calling out severe production issues. I don't think it will suffer a full on production breakdown like Nier Automata did at A-1 pictures. It might have some quality dips in some episodes though. That much is expected.

it'll break down because mappa isn't organized well as sliver link or liden is too and they work like a factory more than even toei themselves lol.

Nah, it's not that they're not organized. Keep in mind, despite MAPPA's production being split on two productions for both CSM and JJK, and AOT and Jigo, they've never had to delay any of their projects. Jigo is still being made, as hellish as it is being made. That's something A-1 and CLW, along with silver Link, haven't done, because at least the show is actually being released. Nier was delayed twice, and many other Aniplex productions have been delayed.

Apr 10, 2023 7:02 PM

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raceraot said:

Actually even tighter, because Kaori Makita is doing her first TV show, Kawagoe, the animation producer, wasn't forced to work on two shows in the same damn year, and many of the staff members for aot are going into Jigo. ☠️

makita worked on kakegurui twin before so it's not her direction debut but it wasn't any better production-wise.

That's not a show, that's an ONA series. It is finished months ahead of time for the Dub to finish.

TV series' are a different beast. They've got broadcasting schedules, and the team has to produce it.

Apr 10, 2023 7:08 PM

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Merve2Love said:
Yeah...same old, same old

"Oh my god MAPPA is struggling so hard!"
*meanwhile they just pump out good quality stuff, without any delays each and every season*

Who cares...

^^ this needed to be said.

Feels like people's expectations are getting way too high for anime, especially when it comes to MAPPA.

Apr 10, 2023 7:41 PM

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raceraot said:

todd2580 said:

makita worked on kakegurui twin before so it's not her direction debut but it wasn't any better production-wise.

That's not a show, that's an ONA series. It is finished months ahead of time for the Dub to finish.

TV series' are a different beast. They've got broadcasting schedules, and the team has to produce it.

but she worked on it not so long still.

Apr 10, 2023 7:43 PM

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Outsourcing is not something weird to do, and MAPPA does it all the fucking time. But Jigokuraku has look ugly ever since the first episode with the ugly MAPPA filter, they need better directors of photography.

This is the dorohedoro photography director.

Apr 10, 2023 9:48 PM

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todd2580 said:

King_KK said:
Almost all Mappa shows have bad production. Mappa has a habit of taking too much stuff and thus ruining the quality of their products. However Mappa's anime still looks much better than the works of your average anime studio like JC staff or Silver Link. So I don't see anything to worry about.

People on twitter were calling the trailers pre animated as well and that turned out to be a lie. I don't trust when twitter starts calling out severe production issues. I don't think it will suffer a full on production breakdown like Nier Automata did at A-1 pictures. It might have some quality dips in some episodes though. That much is expected.

it'll break down because mappa isn't organized well as sliver link or liden is too and they work like a factory more than even toei themselves lol.

No anime from Mappa has suffered from a complete production breakdown. I don't think this one is going to be any different. Let's see how it turns out though.

Apr 11, 2023 5:31 AM

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CreepHazard said:

Of course it's Twin Engine after all, their productions are always well planned. To pull through the animator crisis like this is a feat in itself, moreover they're still paying attention to the action scenes as well. It definitely won't break down midway for sure. If there's anything I'm concerned about it's how long this shortage in animators would last and when anime productions would slow down with milking the western anime-enthusiast rush.

Twin Engine not involve in csm production, it solely Mappa. CSM animation team not involve in Hell Paradise anime, they probably work on JJK s2 and CSM sequel right now.

what? what's this about Chainsaw Man. When did I talk about Chainsaw Man lmao

Apr 11, 2023 7:08 AM

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CreepHazard said:

deg said:
the first half of the first episode already has weak animation too and if you watch a lot of anime you know the first episode is usually one of the best animated episode of the whole anime show

i already commented that the second episode has weak animation too in the episode discussion thread

too many cooks spoil the broth as they say but they cannot help adding more animators because of a tight schedule

im not gonna be surprise to see hiatus on later episodes or the usual covid excuse

That first point about "the first episode being the best" cannot be considered as a thumb rule. Vinland Saga Season 2 first episode looked mid, but then it kept elevating all the way to the current quality which is quite good, and more consistent than WIT's work, which, notably, had a much much stronger first episode but the quality started dwindling around episode 5-7.
Same with the case of Jigokuraku, the second episode arguably looks better than the first so the rule is already dismissed.
imo it's due to the lack of experienced Animation Directors due to the current state of the industry where the availability of staff is at an all time low due to the crazy amount of anim being produced. They try to make up for it by using more and more inexperienced Animation Directors to maintain quality,

nah the first episode sakuga look more good than the second episode sakugas for example

anyway im not expecting much from this animation quality wise since its the animation producer of Takt OP Destiny of the MAPPA part which is considered the weak parts of that show https://myanimelist.net/people/64969/Wataru_Kawagoe

animation producers usually determines the quality of a show or the anime studio in general since they usually gather the staff especially the core staff

Apr 11, 2023 7:17 AM

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deg said:

CreepHazard said:

That first point about "the first episode being the best" cannot be considered as a thumb rule. Vinland Saga Season 2 first episode looked mid, but then it kept elevating all the way to the current quality which is quite good, and more consistent than WIT's work, which, notably, had a much much stronger first episode but the quality started dwindling around episode 5-7.
Same with the case of Jigokuraku, the second episode arguably looks better than the first so the rule is already dismissed.
imo it's due to the lack of experienced Animation Directors due to the current state of the industry where the availability of staff is at an all time low due to the crazy amount of anim being produced. They try to make up for it by using more and more inexperienced Animation Directors to maintain quality,

nah the first episode sakuga look more good than the second episode sakugas for example

anyway im not expecting much from this animation quality wise since its the animation producer of Takt OP Destiny of the MAPPA part which is considered the weak parts of that show https://myanimelist.net/people/64969/Wataru_Kawagoe

animation producers usually determines the quality of a show or the anime studio in general since they usually gather the staff especially the core staff

you're seriously underestimating the involvement of Twin Engine tbh
but anyways I'm not gonna proceed to dickride defend MAPPA. We all know that like 90% of anime have horrible productions and Jigokuraku probably isn't an exception even if it delivers. I'm just gonna cross my fingers and hope for the best in the upcoming episodes

Apr 11, 2023 7:36 AM

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CreepHazard said:

deg said:

nah the first episode sakuga look more good than the second episode sakugas for example

anyway im not expecting much from this animation quality wise since its the animation producer of Takt OP Destiny of the MAPPA part which is considered the weak parts of that show https://myanimelist.net/people/64969/Wataru_Kawagoe

animation producers usually determines the quality of a show or the anime studio in general since they usually gather the staff especially the core staff

you're seriously underestimating the involvement of Twin Engine tbh
but anyways I'm not gonna proceed to dickride defend MAPPA. We all know that like 90% of anime have horrible productions and Jigokuraku probably isn't an exception even if it delivers. I'm just gonna cross my fingers and hope for the best in the upcoming episodes

well youre underestimating or ignoring what a good animation producer can bring too

but ok lets see the future episodes

Apr 11, 2023 9:18 AM

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RedLychee said:

demonaman293 said:

in terms of quality it MAPPA sure comes in top5 or top 3 even with tons of work to do at same time

Unfotable, Kyoto, Bind, Wit, Bones. top five imo and if OLM does more projects like summertime render then they might get pretty high too, Bug Films also looks hype.

Bind only did 2 projects, I wouldn't include it, also you can mention a lot of other good studios Cloverworks, A1 pictures, Production IG, Sunrise, Shaft, Trigger and David Production. For now I'd put Kyotoanimation, Ufotable and Production IG in top 3

Apr 11, 2023 11:53 AM

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People be like saying Mappa is taking too much anime. But no one wants to talk about how the A-1 pictures and Cloverworks also taking 4 projects at the same time in which Nier automata and Solo leveling (for almost a year) has been further delayed which is being made by A-1. And if you think about it, Mappa is actually in a good position than most of your average animation studios who actually pays good amount to their employees. Stop Meatriding and also highly critising mappa for their work. They have more than 300 employes which is enough staff to produce atleast 5 animes per year, taking that one anime takes 50 people. Also, AOT has different staff, Hells paradise have different staff, Vinland Saga have different staff and JJK /CSM have different staff. Overworking is not only common to only either mappa or animation industry, but it's common in whole private working sector.

Apr 11, 2023 2:49 PM

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I hate opinions and that’s an opinion. Like y’all can stfu 🤣🤣🤣🤣😗 Super opinionated people are lame 🦍

Apr 14, 2023 8:40 PM

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seriouslyjokinn said:
People be like saying Mappa is taking too much anime. But no one wants to talk about how the A-1 pictures and Cloverworks also taking 4 projects at the same time in which Nier automata and Solo leveling (for almost a year) has been further delayed which is being made by A-1. And if you think about it, Mappa is actually in a good position than most of your average animation studios who actually pays good amount to their employees. Stop Meatriding and also highly critising mappa for their work. They have more than 300 employes which is enough staff to produce atleast 5 animes per year, taking that one anime takes 50 people. Also, AOT has different staff, Hells paradise have different staff, Vinland Saga have different staff and JJK /CSM have different staff. Overworking is not only common to only either mappa or animation industry, but it's common in whole private working sector.

Actually, no, you're not entirely right. AOT has different staff from JJK/CSM, but it has a lot of key staff members and key animators from Jigo, that are shared with aot. Satoshi iwataki, for example, as well as Kazuki Akane, and many other staff members from aot also did for Jigo.

It's not about the amount of staff, because realistically, Mappa can outsource everything to hell. The issue is that the team is given enough time to make it. AOT is given over 1 and a half years for 7 episodes. Vinland is given 2 years about for 24. Campfire cooking, a year and 3 months for 12 episodes, and Zombieland saga along with some of the big Mappa movies are given at least 2 years. Jigo, according to leakers, didn't have a majority of its production started till December, after aot's boards were finalized. That's 4 months before they were airing.

Apr 15, 2023 1:58 AM

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Merve2Love said:
Yeah...same old, same old

"Oh my god MAPPA is struggling so hard!"
*meanwhile they just pump out good quality stuff, without any delays each and every season*

Who cares...

too bad the quality of this show is especially low

Apr 15, 2023 3:42 AM

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just enjoy the result, don't complain, and those who made it for us, why do we bother with it

Apr 15, 2023 3:56 AM

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raceraot said:

seriouslyjokinn said:
People be like saying Mappa is taking too much anime. But no one wants to talk about how the A-1 pictures and Cloverworks also taking 4 projects at the same time in which Nier automata and Solo leveling (for almost a year) has been further delayed which is being made by A-1. And if you think about it, Mappa is actually in a good position than most of your average animation studios who actually pays good amount to their employees. Stop Meatriding and also highly critising mappa for their work. They have more than 300 employes which is enough staff to produce atleast 5 animes per year, taking that one anime takes 50 people. Also, AOT has different staff, Hells paradise have different staff, Vinland Saga have different staff and JJK /CSM have different staff. Overworking is not only common to only either mappa or animation industry, but it's common in whole private working sector.

Actually, no, you're not entirely right. AOT has different staff from JJK/CSM, but it has a lot of key staff members and key animators from Jigo, that are shared with aot. Satoshi iwataki, for example, as well as Kazuki Akane, and many other staff members from aot also did for Jigo.

It's not about the amount of staff, because realistically, Mappa can outsource everything to hell. The issue is that the team is given enough time to make it. AOT is given over 1 and a half years for 7 episodes. Vinland is given 2 years about for 24. Campfire cooking, a year and 3 months for 12 episodes, and Zombieland saga along with some of the big Mappa movies are given at least 2 years. Jigo, according to leakers, didn't have a majority of its production started till December, after aot's boards were finalized. That's 4 months before they were airing.

bro mappa has a lot of staff why are you bothering about bringing up their previous work, just enjoy what they bring in jigokuraku ,of the many studios that have production problems why is it only mappa that is in the spotlight? so basically people only hate mappa when they make an anime, and of course all anime from many studios have their own problems but mappa haters always mention mappa anime every time there's a small problem and it's made as if it's a big problem

Apr 15, 2023 5:23 AM

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Every MAPPA related thread in a nutshell

Production issues, assuming the anime they're working about will be bad. Turns out to be a good production value.
Preanimated, turns out to be a main trailer

Just because they outsourcing the eps doesn't that mean the animation quality will be bad, every studio are doing this shit everyday.
I was 19 when i encountered this thread for the first time, now i'm going to graduated and going to married.
I'm tired seeing this shit, how about we talk about Aniplex or A-1 instead since they're in a big problem now

It's been 3 fucking years man, MOVE ON

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Apr 15, 2023 5:44 AM

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Reiner_vulcan99 said:

raceraot said:

Actually, no, you're not entirely right. AOT has different staff from JJK/CSM, but it has a lot of key staff members and key animators from Jigo, that are shared with aot. Satoshi iwataki, for example, as well as Kazuki Akane, and many other staff members from aot also did for Jigo.

It's not about the amount of staff, because realistically, Mappa can outsource everything to hell. The issue is that the team is given enough time to make it. AOT is given over 1 and a half years for 7 episodes. Vinland is given 2 years about for 24. Campfire cooking, a year and 3 months for 12 episodes, and Zombieland saga along with some of the big Mappa movies are given at least 2 years. Jigo, according to leakers, didn't have a majority of its production started till December, after aot's boards were finalized. That's 4 months before they were airing.

bro mappa has a lot of staff why are you bothering about bringing up their previous work, just enjoy what they bring in jigokuraku ,of the many studios that have production problems why is it only mappa that is in the spotlight? so basically people only hate mappa when they make an anime, and of course all anime from many studios have their own problems but mappa haters always mention mappa anime every time there's a small problem and it's made as if it's a big problem

I've also brought up the problems with cloverworks and A-1, with a major number of the latter's projects delayed.

Apr 15, 2023 5:53 AM

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If they can deliver goood action then I have no problem. Tbh the fight in ep 2 when the criminals and gabimaru was fighting was well animated....

Apr 15, 2023 12:13 PM

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raceraot said:

Reiner_vulcan99 said:

bro mappa has a lot of staff why are you bothering about bringing up their previous work, just enjoy what they bring in jigokuraku ,of the many studios that have production problems why is it only mappa that is in the spotlight? so basically people only hate mappa when they make an anime, and of course all anime from many studios have their own problems but mappa haters always mention mappa anime every time there's a small problem and it's made as if it's a big problem

I've also brought up the problems with cloverworks and A-1, with a major number of the latter's projects delayed.

It's better that people continue to call out and be critical of MAPPA and other anime studios because otherwise things will never change for the better in the anime industry.
I have no proof, but the backlash towards AoT season 4 part 1 might have influenced the production committee and is one of the reasons why Hayashi and the team was given more time to work on part 3 and without that backlash, the animation quality might not have been as good as it was in the final chapters special 1.

Apr 15, 2023 12:15 PM

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EVAMAAKU14 said:

raceraot said:

Reiner_vulcan99 said:

raceraot said:

seriouslyjokinn said:
People be like saying Mappa is taking too much anime. But no one wants to talk about how the A-1 pictures and Cloverworks also taking 4 projects at the same time in which Nier automata and Solo leveling (for almost a year) has been further delayed which is being made by A-1. And if you think about it, Mappa is actually in a good position than most of your average animation studios who actually pays good amount to their employees. Stop Meatriding and also highly critising mappa for their work. They have more than 300 employes which is enough staff to produce atleast 5 animes per year, taking that one anime takes 50 people. Also, AOT has different staff, Hells paradise have different staff, Vinland Saga have different staff and JJK /CSM have different staff. Overworking is not only common to only either mappa or animation industry, but it's common in whole private working sector.

Actually, no, you're not entirely right. AOT has different staff from JJK/CSM, but it has a lot of key staff members and key animators from Jigo, that are shared with aot. Satoshi iwataki, for example, as well as Kazuki Akane, and many other staff members from aot also did for Jigo.

It's not about the amount of staff, because realistically, Mappa can outsource everything to hell. The issue is that the team is given enough time to make it. AOT is given over 1 and a half years for 7 episodes. Vinland is given 2 years about for 24. Campfire cooking, a year and 3 months for 12 episodes, and Zombieland saga along with some of the big Mappa movies are given at least 2 years. Jigo, according to leakers, didn't have a majority of its production started till December, after aot's boards were finalized. That's 4 months before they were airing.

bro mappa has a lot of staff why are you bothering about bringing up their previous work, just enjoy what they bring in jigokuraku ,of the many studios that have production problems why is it only mappa that is in the spotlight? so basically people only hate mappa when they make an anime, and of course all anime from many studios have their own problems but mappa haters always mention mappa anime every time there's a small problem and it's made as if it's a big problem

I've also brought up the problems with cloverworks and A-1, with a major number of the latter's projects delayed.

It's better that people continue to call out and be critical of MAPPA and other anime studios because otherwise things will never change for the better in the anime industry.
I have no proof, but the backlash towards AoT season 4 part 1 might have influenced the production committee and is one of the reasons why Hayashi and the team was given more time to work on part 3 and without that backlash, the animation quality might not have been as good as it was in the final chapters special 1.

I mean, I think it's less to do with that, and more to do with them not having to deal with the increased pressure of matching to the manga, because now, the anime sales and profits are divorced from the manga. AOT, as an anime, is now profitable enough even with no manga sale increase.

Apr 16, 2023 8:46 AM

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King_KK said:

todd2580 said:

it'll break down because mappa isn't organized well as sliver link or liden is too and they work like a factory more than even toei themselves lol.

No anime from Mappa has suffered from a complete production breakdown. I don't think this one is going to be any different. Let's see how it turns out though.

there's actually some productions that had fall off and not necessarily breakdown and that was the original anime Listeners , RE MAIN and To the Abandoned Sacred Beasts.

Apr 16, 2023 8:54 AM

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