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TheBacc20 said: Toptip said: Last time I googled this show I found a ton of virtue signalling. Come on, isekais are basically people’s fantasies about new life turned into a show and people do fantasize about immoral scenarios. Welcome to the internet. Whenever something controversial is popular, people try to claim the moral high ground over people who enjoy watching it. The internet is such a sh**tty place. Why do we even stay here if the discussions are mostly garbage???!!! We're all hypocrites... |
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Piromysl said: People putting fictional characters to real life morals is cringe. Because that's how any anime series / manga series is conceived... "What if this kind of thing happens??? What if that kind of thing extsts???", along with sooo many more what-ifs.... |
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| Welcome to Mushoku Tensei and its pe*ophilic characters... This concept never gets old in anime/manga... |
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| That's what happens when foreign media gets popular in the west. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
marquinti2 said: Piromysl said: People putting fictional characters to real life morals is cringe. Because that's how any anime series / manga series is conceived... "What if this kind of thing happens??? What if that kind of thing extsts???", along with sooo many more what-ifs.... That's not even what I said. What the fuck. |
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Piromysl said: marquinti2 said: Because that's how any anime series / manga series is conceived... "What if this kind of thing happens??? What if that kind of thing extsts???", along with sooo many more what-ifs.... That's not even what I said. What the fuck. Anime, light novels, games, and manga are the product of one's imaginations. Even if they are fiction, the creators think of "what-if" scenarios to incorporate in their stories. Hence, putting real-life morals and standards to fictional worlds and fictional characters like the masterpiece that is Mushoku Tensei. |
marquinti2Jul 5, 2023 5:19 PM
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Aguy711 said: left wingers expect anime to be just like family guy and get pissed off when it isn't. mushoku tensei is a masterpiece and all the ecchi moments enhance the plot and contribute to the show as a whole Exactly... What is any anime/manga series without those elements from the real world? If elements or aspects such as those doesn't exist in anime/manga, then the story wouldn't be portrayed in the best possible light. |
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TheCupSlammer said: Enjoyer265 said: i understand that but those immoral scenarios shouldn't be on the screen but i don't really care now it's just your choice if you want to watch this or not how is this any worse than aot or chainsaw man, or even overlord? sure genocide might be a more pleasent viewing experience but in terms of real world morrals id take pedophillia over genocide any day. i dont get why csm in particular is heralded as a masterpiece while mushoku is given all this crap Genocide is never a pleasant viewing no matter how popular or unpopular the series gets (for example: Genocide is worst in real life; it's complex, hellish, and the suffering is felt down for generations down to the last living descendants. That is the message of the masterpiece series called Pedophilia, molestation, rape, and sexual harassment are just as bad as genocide. Even if these deeds were acted upon on smaller scales (from one individual to another), it sullies the soul, morality, humanity, and decency of the people doing such vile acts. (These deeds are portrayed in many anime and manga, but are often overlooked or bypassed as fan service.) Chainsaw Man is heralded as a masterpiece because these elements exist in that series and are utilized brilliantly on broken and relatable characters. Mushoku Tensei just got the short end of the stick despite relatable and well-developed characters because Rudy started in a child's body even though he's an adult reincarnation; but Denji's already a teenager by the time the sensual and sexual desires kicked in. Many fans rationalize that it's okay for these characters to enact on their lustful desires. But in reality, Rudy and Denji are two very different people who are lustful to a certain extent because of their background, desires, etc. If we're doomed to choose only between two bad apples (or two evil deeds), it's senseless to expect a delicious fruit out of them (as bad apples can only be rotten or inedible.) |
marquinti2Jul 5, 2023 5:25 PM
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TheCupSlammer said: marquinti2 said: Genocide is never a pleasant viewing no matter how popular or unpopular the series gets (for example: Attack on Titan). tru, but in comparison anything to do with sexual assult or grooming or any of that stuff seems to make people so much more uncomfortable Uncomfortable because those deeds can be enacted upon by individuals of any background, nationality, no matter how rich or poor you are... uncomfortable because any one of us can strongly relate to that "uncomfortable" feeling because the lustful deeds is everywhere and we can even grasp it with our own very hands if we want to. It's a bad or evil deed that is more achievable or more easily achievable unlike genocide. Genocide is committed by people of power and people who are in power (many anti-hero anime and manga protagonists come to mind, but I won't list them here because I wouldn't want to divert from my point). No one can easily enact on their greedy desires to rule the world unless the power-hungry leaders have the means to do so. Genocide seems more evil or more punishable because it's consequences cannot be overlooked/cannot be bypassed/cannot be brushed off/cannot be set aside. Pedophilia, molestation, sexual harassment, incest, grooming, rape, etc. can be small-scaled deeds and are easy to cover up especially if one has the experience, power, influence, money, etc. Genocide is not that easy to cover-up because its aftermath are still strongly felt by the last living descendants of a nationality even after many generations. 😟 |
marquinti2Jul 5, 2023 5:27 PM
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official_brown said: LostSpectre said: That's what happens when foreign media gets popular in the west. It seems that the East usually has more virtues than the West, especially when it comes to media. Way more censorship in media in Japan than the West with their media. Interesting!! I didn't even know that. I thought East is lewder than the West 😂. |
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marquinti2 said: Anime, light novels, games, and manga are the product of one's imaginations. Even if they are fiction, the creators think of "what-if" scenarios to incorporate in their stories. Hence, putting real-life morals and standards to fictional worlds and fictional characters like the masterpiece that is Mushoku Tensei. Are you doing this deliberately or really don't understand what I'm saying? |
PiromyslJul 6, 2023 12:29 AM
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| The biggest problem that virtue signalling bigots have is they think because a show is animated it is aimed at children. This is a story that tackles a lot of mature themes and is not aimed at children but at the 18-45 demographic. Rudeus, and his companions, go through a lot of trials, physical, emotional and psychological, that children couldn't relate to. Love, death, trauma, marriage, childbirth, parenting, loss, betrayal, reconciliation etc. Though there is a fair amount of humour, as well as a certain amount of ecchi, over the course of the story (which is up to English translated LN 22) this is a mature story aimed at a mature audience. |
| Fantasy and mecha are my jam, enjoy romance and slice of life, isekai are a guilty pleasure |
| Roxy is a grown arse fucking woman. She doesn't look like a child at all, she looks like a young woman, exactly what she is. If you've read the LNs then you know that Rudy thinks that the person he was before he died is disgusting and vile. Rudy isn't a paedophile. Rudy isn't sexually attracted to children. When he thinks about Sylphie it is in the context of what a beautiful woman she is going to become, he wants to be with her as an adult. The degenerate behaviour he displays is never condoned, he suffers consequences for them and strives to behave differently, he feels shame and contrition. Even Roxy's panties that he stole aren't kept as a source of sexual relief but as a memento of their time together, and though weird, he treats them as a sacred object. Yes, he has memories and patterns of behaviour that he inherited from his past life but they don't define who he is, but who he was and who he never wants to become. |
| Fantasy and mecha are my jam, enjoy romance and slice of life, isekai are a guilty pleasure |
| Except that isn't Rudeus. You're conflating the person who died with his reincarnation. In his past life, he was a piece of shit that deserved to be thrown in the woodchipper, Rudeus isn't. |
| Fantasy and mecha are my jam, enjoy romance and slice of life, isekai are a guilty pleasure |
Toptip said: Last time I googled this show I found a ton of virtue signalling. Come on, isekais are basically people’s fantasies about new life turned into a show and people do fantasize about immoral scenarios. Yeah, but taking issue with how they're presented in a series can be a negative point for some people, and that's fine. Brushing aside a lot of people's real issues and criticisms as "virtue signaling" is lame. Just accept people have reasons to dislike something you like, and move on. |
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GeneralAshnak said:
Roxy is a grown arse fucking woman. She doesn't look like a child at all, she looks like a young woman, exactly what she is. If you've read the LNs then you know that Rudy thinks that the person he was before he died is disgusting and vile. Rudy isn't a paedophile. Rudy isn't sexually attracted to children. When he thinks about Sylphie it is in the context of what a beautiful woman she is going to become, he wants to be with her as an adult. The degenerate behaviour he displays is never condoned, he suffers consequences for them and strives to behave differently, he feels shame and contrition. Even Roxy's panties that he stole aren't kept as a source of sexual relief but as a memento of their time together, and though weird, he treats them as a sacred object. Yes, he has memories and patterns of behaviour that he inherited from his past life but they don't define who he is, but who he was and who he never wants to become.
Roxy is a grown arse fucking woman. She doesn't look like a child at all, she looks like a young woman, exactly what she is. If you've read the LNs then you know that Rudy thinks that the person he was before he died is disgusting and vile. Rudy isn't a paedophile. Rudy isn't sexually attracted to children. When he thinks about Sylphie it is in the context of what a beautiful woman she is going to become, he wants to be with her as an adult. The degenerate behaviour he displays is never condoned, he suffers consequences for them and strives to behave differently, he feels shame and contrition. Even Roxy's panties that he stole aren't kept as a source of sexual relief but as a memento of their time together, and though weird, he treats them as a sacred object. Yes, he has memories and patterns of behaviour that he inherited from his past life but they don't define who he is, but who he was and who he never wants to become.
"Rudy isn't a paedophile. Rudy isn't sexually attracted to children." Haha this is why like I've said people who like this series is blind to the fact that Rudy is a pedophile.
| @RyuuSasakura12 that's why the term "lolicon" exist for a reason you fucking imbecile other characters calls them one as well cause that's the correct term to use for these types of characters |
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Toptip said:
Last time I googled this show I found a ton of virtue signalling. Come on, isekais are basically people’s fantasies about new life turned into a show and people do fantasize about immoral scenarios.
Last time I googled this show I found a ton of virtue signalling. Come on, isekais are basically people’s fantasies about new life turned into a show and people do fantasize about immoral scenarios.
Yeah, but taking issue with how they're presented in a series can be a negative point for some people, and that's fine. Brushing aside a lot of people's real issues and criticisms as "virtue signaling" is lame. Just accept people have reasons to dislike something you like, and move on.
| @Lemurians except treating anyone who likes it as a criminal isn't and bringing morals and real-world problems isn't just a valid argument when it comes to fiction |
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