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Sep 27, 2023 10:08 PM
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![]() The official X (Twitter) of the Omegaverse Project magazine announced on Thursday that Ichi Ichikawa's Tadaima, Okaeri (Welcome Home) manga is receiving an anime adaptation. Synopsis Masaki Fujiyoshi is a stay-at-home spouse and parent. He has fought long and hard with feelings of being a burden to his loving husband, Hiromu, due to his status as an omega—and the difficulty they faced to achieve this domesticity. When their son, Hikari, was born, the family moved to an area better suited for raising children. Hikari is now nearing his second birthday, and he and his parents are forging meaningful bonds with those around them. These include the beta high schooler living next door, Yuuki, to whom Hikari has become rather attached; Hiromu's friend from work Matsuo; and the mysterious single dad seen wandering around the park. Despite their newfound domestic bliss, the family's ties to their past are in tatters. There are people they left behind to pursue the creation of their happy family, and when they begin to return, Masaki and Hiromu aren't quite sure they have good intentions. [Written by MAL Rewrite] The slice of life boys love manga began in the Omegaverse Project anthology magazine in November 2015. Fusion Product published the fourth volume in April 2019. Source: Chill Chill Tadaima, Okaeri on MAL |
DatRandomDudeSep 27, 2023 10:38 PM
Sep 27, 2023 11:03 PM
#2
| I could not stop myself from laughing so damn hard at this announcement. It's the first omegaverse anime. Like I'm a BL fanatic. I've read thousands of BL manga. Hell, I've even read Taidaima, Okaeri (even if I don't remember a thing about the plot). But I never expected an anime studio to even touch omegaverse with a ten-foot pole. Omegaverse is that goddamn bonkers lmaooooo. I don't think the world is ready for this. Even if they were doused with an alpha's pheromones (lmaooooo). |
Sep 27, 2023 11:06 PM
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Sep 28, 2023 12:01 AM
#4
| Never thought an omegaverse would get an anime but I've heard really good things for this and I'll be tuned in |
Sep 28, 2023 12:53 AM
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| Somehow i knew it's a manga written by a woman even before clicking on it. |
Sep 28, 2023 12:55 AM
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Reply to erikkamirs
I could not stop myself from laughing so damn hard at this announcement. It's the first omegaverse anime.
Like I'm a BL fanatic. I've read thousands of BL manga. Hell, I've even read Taidaima, Okaeri (even if I don't remember a thing about the plot).
But I never expected an anime studio to even touch omegaverse with a ten-foot pole. Omegaverse is that goddamn bonkers lmaooooo.
I don't think the world is ready for this. Even if they were doused with an alpha's pheromones (lmaooooo).
Like I'm a BL fanatic. I've read thousands of BL manga. Hell, I've even read Taidaima, Okaeri (even if I don't remember a thing about the plot).
But I never expected an anime studio to even touch omegaverse with a ten-foot pole. Omegaverse is that goddamn bonkers lmaooooo.
I don't think the world is ready for this. Even if they were doused with an alpha's pheromones (lmaooooo).
| @erikkamirs, I agree. Look forward to the anime! |
Sep 28, 2023 1:20 AM
#9
Reply to Piromysl
An actual gay marriage in anime. That's a first.
| @Piromysl This is not the first such show, in fact. But I'm more confused by the erotica tag on the original manga. |
Sep 28, 2023 1:22 AM
#10
RobertBobert said: @Piromysl This is not the first such show, in fact. But I'm more confused by the erotica tag on the original manga. I guess it means there will be a lot of fujo pandering with schmecks and fanservice, rather than actual depth to the story and characters. |
Sep 28, 2023 1:32 AM
#11
Reply to Piromysl
RobertBobert said:
@Piromysl This is not the first such show, in fact. But I'm more confused by the erotica tag on the original manga.
@Piromysl This is not the first such show, in fact. But I'm more confused by the erotica tag on the original manga.
I guess it means there will be a lot of fujo pandering with schmecks and fanservice, rather than actual depth to the story and characters.
| @Piromysl Well, most of similiar SoL is essentially fluffy fanservice, because people consume such content not for the depth of the plot or characters, but for the sake of BL or yuri moe. |
Sep 28, 2023 1:32 AM
#12
Reply to Piromysl
RobertBobert said:
@Piromysl This is not the first such show, in fact. But I'm more confused by the erotica tag on the original manga.
@Piromysl This is not the first such show, in fact. But I'm more confused by the erotica tag on the original manga.
I guess it means there will be a lot of fujo pandering with schmecks and fanservice, rather than actual depth to the story and characters.
| @Piromysl This is a very sweet story about love, marriage, children, family. In this manga there is few sex scene, but the story is deep and wholesome. This is the best manga about family and children I have ever read and Hikari is the most precious child. That's my absolute favorite manga with a great plot and loveable characters. |
Sep 28, 2023 1:47 AM
#13
Reply to Piromysl
RobertBobert said:
@Piromysl This is not the first such show, in fact. But I'm more confused by the erotica tag on the original manga.
@Piromysl This is not the first such show, in fact. But I'm more confused by the erotica tag on the original manga.
I guess it means there will be a lot of fujo pandering with schmecks and fanservice, rather than actual depth to the story and characters.
| @Piromysl Yeah, it just happens to bo so realistic that the main pair lives in an area where its only dudes raising kids with other dudes. Totally not wish fulfilment by the mangaka lol. Its like when you watching a harem show, and all the girls are in love with this super average dude, totally normal phenomenon. Its very one sided manga, that has nothing to do with how actual gay married couples fare in the society. |
SwagernatorSep 28, 2023 1:50 AM
Sep 28, 2023 1:51 AM
#14
| An omegaverse getting an anime, cheers to the healthy fujodanshis, but I don't have much interest in healthy things. |
Sep 28, 2023 2:00 AM
#15
Swagernator said: @Piromysl Yeah, it just happens to bo so realistic that the main pair lives in an area where its only dudes raising kids with other dudes. Totally not wish fulfilment by the mangaka lol. Kinda reminds me of Rick & Steve. No, wait. It's literally it LMAO. |
Sep 28, 2023 2:37 AM
#16
| Was literally thinking a few days ago that there will an omegaverse anime adaption one day didn't expect it to be this soon also wasn't expecting it to be this one either. |
Sep 28, 2023 6:34 AM
#17
| Man I love BL but omegaverse has icked me out since its inception in the Supernatural fandom. I seriously can’t believe a studio is turning an omegaverse manga into an anime. It’s just such a bizarre niche genre that I am baffled even exists as anything more than a weird fringe-of-the-fringe trope. Not hating on this particular anime/manga (just legit do not get the appeal/popularity of omegaverse), and tbh I’m still likely to check this out because I do love BL and there aren’t many animes that release. Plus the couples do look pretty cute, but the omegaverse stuff is gonna require me to turn my brain off a bit more than usual. |
Sep 28, 2023 6:52 AM
#18
Reply to SafetyInLetters
Man I love BL but omegaverse has icked me out since its inception in the Supernatural fandom. I seriously can’t believe a studio is turning an omegaverse manga into an anime. It’s just such a bizarre niche genre that I am baffled even exists as anything more than a weird fringe-of-the-fringe trope.
Not hating on this particular anime/manga (just legit do not get the appeal/popularity of omegaverse), and tbh I’m still likely to check this out because I do love BL and there aren’t many animes that release. Plus the couples do look pretty cute, but the omegaverse stuff is gonna require me to turn my brain off a bit more than usual.
Not hating on this particular anime/manga (just legit do not get the appeal/popularity of omegaverse), and tbh I’m still likely to check this out because I do love BL and there aren’t many animes that release. Plus the couples do look pretty cute, but the omegaverse stuff is gonna require me to turn my brain off a bit more than usual.
| @SafetyInLetters Next year we'll get one of the classic "yuritopia" shows where almost everyone around is a lesbian, so why not adapt something about guys? No, it's not my cup of tea and I understand that it's pretty weird, but saying "it's weird so it shouldn't be adapted" is pretty weird. |
Sep 28, 2023 7:00 AM
#19
Reply to SafetyInLetters
Man I love BL but omegaverse has icked me out since its inception in the Supernatural fandom. I seriously can’t believe a studio is turning an omegaverse manga into an anime. It’s just such a bizarre niche genre that I am baffled even exists as anything more than a weird fringe-of-the-fringe trope.
Not hating on this particular anime/manga (just legit do not get the appeal/popularity of omegaverse), and tbh I’m still likely to check this out because I do love BL and there aren’t many animes that release. Plus the couples do look pretty cute, but the omegaverse stuff is gonna require me to turn my brain off a bit more than usual.
Not hating on this particular anime/manga (just legit do not get the appeal/popularity of omegaverse), and tbh I’m still likely to check this out because I do love BL and there aren’t many animes that release. Plus the couples do look pretty cute, but the omegaverse stuff is gonna require me to turn my brain off a bit more than usual.
| @SafetyInLetters, I wonder whether they cut the 18+ scenes to turn it into shonen-ai or not. |
Sep 28, 2023 7:02 AM
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Sep 28, 2023 7:03 AM
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Sep 28, 2023 7:11 AM
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Sep 28, 2023 7:15 AM
#23
| I'm so excited this looks so good!! I'm happy omegaverse is getting a show! 😮😍😍 |
Sep 28, 2023 7:17 AM
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Sep 28, 2023 7:17 AM
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Sep 28, 2023 7:47 AM
#26
| I'm so excited more bl is always welcome! I love the omegaverse I find it very interesting and can't wait to watch it! I wish people who weren't interested in bl and homophobs would honestly just not comment they just make themselves look dumb and are so annoying, if they knew anything about it there is women in the omegaverse (there's even some straight stories and gl about it) they just may not happen to be in this story. |
Sep 28, 2023 7:59 AM
#27
| I don't quite get it but is this about mpreg? I had tried reading one of these and lost a lot of braincells making sense of it. Fujoshis and fudanshis really do consume any trash they get. This is such a waste wish they would have picked some other series to adapt, there are plenty of good ones waiting for an adaptation. Men cannot get pregnant since they do not have the anatomy for it, period. If they do then they are not a biological male. |
Sep 28, 2023 8:01 AM
#28
Reply to Maou_heika
I don't quite get it but is this about mpreg? I had tried reading one of these and lost a lot of braincells making sense of it. Fujoshis and fudanshis really do consume any trash they get. This is such a waste wish they would have picked some other series to adapt, there are plenty of good ones waiting for an adaptation.
Men cannot get pregnant since they do not have the anatomy for it, period. If they do then they are not a biological male.
Men cannot get pregnant since they do not have the anatomy for it, period. If they do then they are not a biological male.
| @Maou_heika This is actually about a wholesome family and has very little sex in it. Yes, there it is an omegaverse but I feel like trashy harem shows have gotten away with a lot worse and nobody has batted an eye |
Sep 28, 2023 8:16 AM
#29
Reply to removed-user
@Maou_heika This is actually about a wholesome family and has very little sex in it. Yes, there it is an omegaverse but I feel like trashy harem shows have gotten away with a lot worse and nobody has batted an eye
| @TinaTunaTina I'm commenting about the omegaverse, men getting pregnant is stupid, they do not have a uterus neither do they have an opening which can expand enough to give birth, I'm talking about the scientific aspect of it not about your feelings. We already had another scientifically unsound anime this season about robots that can eat, drink and behave exactly like humans despite being made of machinery, I'm not fond of these type of series. |
Sep 28, 2023 8:24 AM
#30
Reply to Maou_heika
I don't quite get it but is this about mpreg? I had tried reading one of these and lost a lot of braincells making sense of it. Fujoshis and fudanshis really do consume any trash they get. This is such a waste wish they would have picked some other series to adapt, there are plenty of good ones waiting for an adaptation.
Men cannot get pregnant since they do not have the anatomy for it, period. If they do then they are not a biological male.
Men cannot get pregnant since they do not have the anatomy for it, period. If they do then they are not a biological male.
| @Maou_heika Oh yeah? Then those reincarnations, time travelling, magic and all that absurd fantasy stuffs are trash because they're not real? That's a ridiculous logic. A large part of fiction consists of worlds and stories in which impossible things are assumed to exist. I'm personally not a fan of BL and I don't know what this "omegaverse" is, but from what I understand it's a world where same-sex couples can biologically have children, and that's fine. |
Sep 28, 2023 8:27 AM
#31
Reply to Maou_heika
@TinaTunaTina I'm commenting about the omegaverse, men getting pregnant is stupid, they do not have a uterus neither do they have an opening which can expand enough to give birth, I'm talking about the scientific aspect of it not about your feelings. We already had another scientifically unsound anime this season about robots that can eat, drink and behave exactly like humans despite being made of machinery, I'm not fond of these type of series.
| @Maou_heika Then idk what to tell you maybe dont watch it? I was just trying to say give it a try because despite it being omegaverse it's about a wholesome family. Most omegeverses are very sexual and fetistize the heat cycles while this one is just about family life. Not everything in fiction is going to go by what happens in our reality lol, if so we wouldn't have isekai, time traveling, and other series. |
Sep 28, 2023 8:29 AM
#32
| People really be in the replies trying to explain why omegaverse isn't possible as if it's a real thing... But hey I'm glad this is getting adapted, it looks cute. |
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Sep 28, 2023 8:39 AM
#33
Reply to Sphealz
I'm so excited more bl is always welcome! I love the omegaverse I find it very interesting and can't wait to watch it! I wish people who weren't interested in bl and homophobs would honestly just not comment they just make themselves look dumb and are so annoying, if they knew anything about it there is women in the omegaverse (there's even some straight stories and gl about it) they just may not happen to be in this story.
| @Sphealz Okay, then I’ll ask a clarifying question like “dumb”. Where do all these guys have children, if this is a supposedly real world where women exist? I didn't see anything in the synopsis that suggested same-sex couples were problematic in the real world. And yes, it’s normal not to know anything about the work while making quick conclusions about what you see at the announcement level. You don't have to be a BL expert to comment on the BL anime announcement. |
Sep 28, 2023 8:42 AM
#34
Reply to meyve
@Maou_heika Oh yeah? Then those reincarnations, time travelling, magic and all that absurd fantasy stuffs are trash because they're not real? That's a ridiculous logic. A large part of fiction consists of worlds and stories in which impossible things are assumed to exist. I'm personally not a fan of BL and I don't know what this "omegaverse" is, but from what I understand it's a world where same-sex couples can biologically have children, and that's fine.
| @meyve These shows are obviously not trying to be realistic shows about real issues. Above, people are literally trying to refute the claim that this is fulfillment of the wishes of BL fans, with references to the fact that this is supposedly a deep show about family and children. If this is a "deep show about family and children" where men can get pregnant and give birth, and same-sex families are completely safe and have no problems, then yes, the unreality of it is a problem. And don't get me wrong. There is nothing wrong with gays, same-sex families, or same-sex families. Just like in the stories about this. But you have to decide whether this is a completely wholesome fanservice show for fans of the genre, or whether this is a realistic story about deep things and you don't agree with its criticism of it as fanservice. You can't first say, "Oh, this is deep and realistic, you can't criticize it for being easy," and then say, "Oh, this is easy and frivolous" when the work's consistency with your previous statement is questioned. |
RobertBobertSep 28, 2023 8:52 AM
Sep 28, 2023 8:47 AM
#35
| @Maou_heika it's kinda funny cause ypu just assume things about a manga and genre you've never consumed before. I'll tell you how most of these series go. The man is born with a uterus and is able to give birth that way, but depending on the manga, the baby is usually delivered via c section, which I don't think is super out there in term for a universe. Also there is straight omegaverse and lots of GL omegeverse and females in bl omegeverses that aren't in the main plot. Maybe do some research on the topic before you start saying everyone hates women? Just because women aren't in a bl manga or show doesn't mean the author hates the gender. There are plenty of yuri with no males in it at all and I don't see anyone complaining there. |
Sep 28, 2023 8:53 AM
#36
Reply to RobertBobert
@Sphealz Okay, then I’ll ask a clarifying question like “dumb”. Where do all these guys have children, if this is a supposedly real world where women exist? I didn't see anything in the synopsis that suggested same-sex couples were problematic in the real world. And yes, it’s normal not to know anything about the work while making quick conclusions about what you see at the announcement level. You don't have to be a BL expert to comment on the BL anime announcement.
| @RobertBobert Its obviously fiction and a fantasy world, i'm not gonna describe the entire omega verse but people are born with both parts, look it up if you're interested. |
Sep 28, 2023 8:54 AM
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Sep 28, 2023 8:54 AM
#38
| @RobertBobert I guess author just assumed that audience is not supposed to think too deeply about it and didn't bothered explaining it. Because if there are really biological men getting pregnant in this manga, then it seriously needs fantasy or sci-fi tag. Not to mention, that same sex marriage in Japan is not yet legal. I think that we should really just not to think to deeply about it and let author go wild. |
Sep 28, 2023 8:56 AM
#39
Reply to removed-user
@Maou_heika it's kinda funny cause ypu just assume things about a manga and genre you've never consumed before. I'll tell you how most of these series go. The man is born with a uterus and is able to give birth that way, but depending on the manga, the baby is usually delivered via c section, which I don't think is super out there in term for a universe. Also there is straight omegaverse and lots of GL omegeverse and females in bl omegeverses that aren't in the main plot. Maybe do some research on the topic before you start saying everyone hates women? Just because women aren't in a bl manga or show doesn't mean the author hates the gender. There are plenty of yuri with no males in it at all and I don't see anyone complaining there.
| @TinaTunaTina How long have you been using this site? There are a lot of people here who complain about everything. Starting from people who complain about yuri wish fulfillment and their fans and ending with straight wish fulfillment and their fans. And again, it’s quite normal to say something about a work that you haven’t read (watched) after reading the synopsis and a quick inspection, if you don’t start blaming the work for non-existent things as something indisputable. For example, it's okay to criticize Konosuba after a quick look, but to criticize it as a "lewd show" after watching one scene or one frame is not. |
Sep 28, 2023 8:58 AM
#40
Reply to Sphealz
@RobertBobert Its obviously fiction and a fantasy world, i'm not gonna describe the entire omega verse but people are born with both parts, look it up if you're interested.
| @Sphealz Then don't promote it as a realistic show about serious real-life issues, okay? There's nothing wrong with a BL show catering to the fantasies of BL fans, you shouldn't have to make excuses for it. You just look silly trying to do this. |
Sep 28, 2023 8:58 AM
#41
Reply to removed-user
@Maou_heika it's kinda funny cause ypu just assume things about a manga and genre you've never consumed before. I'll tell you how most of these series go. The man is born with a uterus and is able to give birth that way, but depending on the manga, the baby is usually delivered via c section, which I don't think is super out there in term for a universe. Also there is straight omegaverse and lots of GL omegeverse and females in bl omegeverses that aren't in the main plot. Maybe do some research on the topic before you start saying everyone hates women? Just because women aren't in a bl manga or show doesn't mean the author hates the gender. There are plenty of yuri with no males in it at all and I don't see anyone complaining there.
| @TinaTunaTina If he has a uterus then he's not a biological male, period. Giving birth only through c-section is stupid, what happens if it's time for delivery but the guy is stuck somewhere and can't get to the hospital? How to they get pregnant in the first place if they don't have a vagina for the sperm to pass through and reach the egg. Let me say it again, it's bullshit written by some delusional fujoshi so she can eliminate females from her writing. If you want to refute it then tell me how many important female characters are there in this series? Don't try to change the topic. |
Sep 28, 2023 8:59 AM
#42
Reply to DatRandomDude
There's so much random shit that shouldn't be possible in anime in general, idk why yall are being weird about something that's "unrealistic" suddenly.
| @DatRandomDude The whole "controversy" started just because of one comment where one of the people tried to promote this as something realistic in nature. Then it just spun on automatic control. I don't see a problem with this if it doesn't have any claims to being "realistic". |
Sep 28, 2023 9:03 AM
#43
Reply to Piromysl
@RobertBobert
I guess author just assumed that audience is not supposed to think too deeply about it and didn't bothered explaining it. Because if there are really biological men getting pregnant in this manga, then it seriously needs fantasy or sci-fi tag. Not to mention, that same sex marriage in Japan is not yet legal.
I think that we should really just not to think to deeply about it and let author go wild.
I guess author just assumed that audience is not supposed to think too deeply about it and didn't bothered explaining it. Because if there are really biological men getting pregnant in this manga, then it seriously needs fantasy or sci-fi tag. Not to mention, that same sex marriage in Japan is not yet legal.
I think that we should really just not to think to deeply about it and let author go wild.
| @Piromysl It all depends on how the authors position it. Trope lady land has been around for decades, not to mention more modern "girl's zoos" like Love Live. The problem is that people take it too seriously, either by reacting aggressively to characters of the opposite sex, or by trying to somehow justify it. Personally, I think it worked much better as a realistic show about real gay families and their problems rather than just a fujoshi fantasy. |
Sep 28, 2023 9:06 AM
#44
Reply to RobertBobert
@meyve These shows are obviously not trying to be realistic shows about real issues. Above, people are literally trying to refute the claim that this is fulfillment of the wishes of BL fans, with references to the fact that this is supposedly a deep show about family and children. If this is a "deep show about family and children" where men can get pregnant and give birth, and same-sex families are completely safe and have no problems, then yes, the unreality of it is a problem.
And don't get me wrong. There is nothing wrong with gays, same-sex families, or same-sex families. Just like in the stories about this. But you have to decide whether this is a completely wholesome fanservice show for fans of the genre, or whether this is a realistic story about deep things and you don't agree with its criticism of it as fanservice. You can't first say, "Oh, this is deep and realistic, you can't criticize it for being easy," and then say, "Oh, this is easy and frivolous" when the work's consistency with your previous statement is questioned.
And don't get me wrong. There is nothing wrong with gays, same-sex families, or same-sex families. Just like in the stories about this. But you have to decide whether this is a completely wholesome fanservice show for fans of the genre, or whether this is a realistic story about deep things and you don't agree with its criticism of it as fanservice. You can't first say, "Oh, this is deep and realistic, you can't criticize it for being easy," and then say, "Oh, this is easy and frivolous" when the work's consistency with your previous statement is questioned.
| @RobertBobert Same sex family aren't complety safe in this manga. Masaki an omega man. Because of this he got hurt and he didn't trust himself while he met his future husband. And not everyone was glad when he got pregnant with his oldest child. But his love for his husband and his kid always was stronger than his fears and this is a beautiful point of this manga. Their life is not perfect, but they love each other and this is the most important part of their everyday. It's not a realist manga but the way it talks about love and family really amazing and wholesome. |
Sep 28, 2023 9:12 AM
#45
Reply to Maou_heika
@TinaTunaTina If he has a uterus then he's not a biological male, period. Giving birth only through c-section is stupid, what happens if it's time for delivery but the guy is stuck somewhere and can't get to the hospital? How to they get pregnant in the first place if they don't have a vagina for the sperm to pass through and reach the egg. Let me say it again, it's bullshit written by some delusional fujoshi so she can eliminate females from her writing. If you want to refute it then tell me how many important female characters are there in this series? Don't try to change the topic.
| @Maou_heika my main problem is that you're complaining that a universe that can allow same sex couples to have biological children is unrealistic when as I've and others said before 90% of anime is unrealistic. If we only wanted to have realistic anime then we'd have slice of life and romance lol. You just want the author to say she hates women so bad cause there is none in the manga when I told you women are in this genre. What's wrong with same sex couples having children in a fantasy universe? It almost just sounds like your throwing out unrealistic because you don't like the idea of same sex couples having children and considering you've watched kyo kara maoru and hate wolfram and the bl genre according to your profile I'd say you're just using unrealistic as an excuse. |
Sep 28, 2023 9:13 AM
#46
Reply to Jucuky
@RobertBobert
Same sex family aren't complety safe in this manga. Masaki an omega man. Because of this he got hurt and he didn't trust himself while he met his future husband. And not everyone was glad when he got pregnant with his oldest child. But his love for his husband and his kid always was stronger than his fears and this is a beautiful point of this manga. Their life is not perfect, but they love each other and this is the most important part of their everyday. Ichikawa Ichi is an excelent author, her stories always are interesting and nice and this is one of her best stories.
It's not a realist manga but the way it talks about love and family really amazing and wholesome.
Same sex family aren't complety safe in this manga. Masaki an omega man. Because of this he got hurt and he didn't trust himself while he met his future husband. And not everyone was glad when he got pregnant with his oldest child. But his love for his husband and his kid always was stronger than his fears and this is a beautiful point of this manga. Their life is not perfect, but they love each other and this is the most important part of their everyday.
It's not a realist manga but the way it talks about love and family really amazing and wholesome.
| @Jucuky If it really is as you say, then this looks like the type of BL where female readers are expected to use the passive male character as a self-insert (just like Loveless was a metaphor for the significance of losing your virginity). Because this is practically a story about an insecure woman who became a wife and mother, turned into BL. I'm not a woman to confidently draw such conclusions, but it could very well be realistic with a female MC. But in BL form, it begins to require a whole series of additional conventions like pregnant men and the lack of problematic gay marriage, which is why in the eyes of outsiders it really looks like a BL fantasy. Simply because in real life men never face such experiences and it is difficult for us to look at it even with conventions. |
Sep 28, 2023 9:18 AM
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Sep 28, 2023 9:19 AM
#49
Reply to RobertBobert
@meyve These shows are obviously not trying to be realistic shows about real issues. Above, people are literally trying to refute the claim that this is fulfillment of the wishes of BL fans, with references to the fact that this is supposedly a deep show about family and children. If this is a "deep show about family and children" where men can get pregnant and give birth, and same-sex families are completely safe and have no problems, then yes, the unreality of it is a problem.
And don't get me wrong. There is nothing wrong with gays, same-sex families, or same-sex families. Just like in the stories about this. But you have to decide whether this is a completely wholesome fanservice show for fans of the genre, or whether this is a realistic story about deep things and you don't agree with its criticism of it as fanservice. You can't first say, "Oh, this is deep and realistic, you can't criticize it for being easy," and then say, "Oh, this is easy and frivolous" when the work's consistency with your previous statement is questioned.
And don't get me wrong. There is nothing wrong with gays, same-sex families, or same-sex families. Just like in the stories about this. But you have to decide whether this is a completely wholesome fanservice show for fans of the genre, or whether this is a realistic story about deep things and you don't agree with its criticism of it as fanservice. You can't first say, "Oh, this is deep and realistic, you can't criticize it for being easy," and then say, "Oh, this is easy and frivolous" when the work's consistency with your previous statement is questioned.
| @RobertBobert I don't know exactly what you are trying to say, but just because the story takes place in a fictional world does not mean that the story itself cannot be "realistic and deep". Because what is realistic can be separate elements such as characters, dialogues, plot, etc. And it mostly depends on how much thought and effort the author has put into them. I am aware that these series are written according to people's wishes and fantasies, without being well thought out. And most of them are formulaic and clichéd. Like fanservice in harem series, misunderstandings in romcoms, OP characters in isekais. But there are always exceptions and it is not right to comment on something without watching it. You're probably right, but still. |
Sep 28, 2023 9:25 AM
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Reply to meyve
@RobertBobert I don't know exactly what you are trying to say, but just because the story takes place in a fictional world does not mean that the story itself cannot be "realistic and deep". Because what is realistic can be separate elements such as characters, dialogues, plot, etc. And it mostly depends on how much thought and effort the author has put into them. I am aware that these series are written according to people's wishes and fantasies, without being well thought out. And most of them are formulaic and clichéd. Like fanservice in harem series, misunderstandings in romcoms, OP characters in isekais. But there are always exceptions and it is not right to comment on something without watching it. You're probably right, but still.
| @meyve I already said this above. Men simply never have this kind of experience in real life. It could be really realistic with a female perspective, but in the end it's just a fantasy of what it would be like for couples of beautiful bishonens to experience marital problems. And the harems, rom-coms, or isekai you mentioned aren't trying to emulate real human experiences or talk about real issues, so even while understanding your attempts to appeal to a dislike of male-focused fantasies, it still doesn't compare. There's a difference between using conventions and fiction to tell about real-life issues (1984 became a cult book for a reason) and simply wish fulfillment through fiction. But yes, if someone tried to prove to me that SAO or To Love ru are deep and intelligent works about computer games or boys going through teenage puberty, I would tell them the same thing. |
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