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| My jaw just about hit the floor after watching this episode. Kayr you were right on about the number of lights equaling the number of pilots. I was just extremely shocked Chizu was pregnant and counted as two. This show just gets more and more twisted. All that talk about the number of pilots and lights had me a bit confused so I'm going to rewatch that part later to add it all up. I've also got to rewatch episode 1 later. After the talk about one of the kids other than Kana not being counted I got an idea who that person may be based on what I remember from the sign ups in the first episode. I recall the scene but I'll have to recheck the episode to get the name though. More speculation abounds, this time on who could be the excluded child: |
tainteddonutJun 22, 2007 9:56 AM
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| Yeah, it was funny....during Chizu's "prologue to death" while she was holding her stomach, I thought "what? is she pregnant or something?" :D Also, I can't remember the last time I went from laughing to almost crying - from when Chizu kicked the robot right in its...um, yeah, to her death right after.... A rewatch of episode 1 may be in order for me as well. I hardly remember all the goings-on in that one, mainly because I was trying to keep up with all the freakin characters lol Anyway, great episode, great series. Let's hope this one doesn't get licensed midway and Triad drops it...that would suck majorly T_T |
KimuraJun 21, 2007 8:11 PM
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_Sakura_ said: Yeah, it was funny....during Chizu's "prologue to death" while she was holding her stomach, I thought "what? is she pregnant or something?" :D Also, I can't remember the last time I went from laughing to almost crying - from when Chizu kicked the robot right in its... I thought the same, but I only had a vague idea. So when they said she was probably pregnant it hit me: Yes! That's gotta be it! My little theory that the enemies have a relation to those who are meant to fight them still adds up I think. It looked like a shell to me (Kako's relation to the ocean) and it's vital point looked like something which is also important relating to Chizu's story. I didn't think it could get any more twisted but this show just keeps going like that. If Chizu killed the teacher back then, I wonder if she would still have had enough anger/power to fight the enemy. Great episode, can't wait for more! |
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tainteddonut said: haha, yes! That seemed too logical not to be true. :)My jaw just about hit the floor after watching this episode. Kayr you were right on about the number of lights equaling the number of pilots. I was just extremely shocked Chizu was pregnant and counted as two. This show just gets more and more twisted. I was having my doubts about this episode, now that we know that the director doesn't like the manga. But it was amasing again... and twisted. I was also a bit confused with the maths, so I'm gonna rewatch it later after I catch up with other shows tainteddonut said: More speculation abounds, this time on who could be the excluded child: I think that makes sense... Please Mr. Director.... don't ruin this show.... ! |
KayrhandrosJun 22, 2007 10:44 AM
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| Interesting indeed. I thought that Chizu was pregnant when she grabbed her stomach. There seemed to be a feeling of regret for the unborn child. How ironic that the vital point was the groin area. Nice one there. I figured the lights had to do with the pilots, but for 3 lights go out was really strange. To have it go out for Chizu's child... wow. I wonder who that last one is. If it's not Youko, then maybe the boy who brought it to everyone's attention. What is his name? Also, I wonder if those 2 who want to volunteer will get their wish. One final thought, Kana is so adorable! |
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| Awesome, I figured that the other mecha had to be piloted by other people caught in the contract as well, and it seems that the lights on the face going out seems to confirm this. And I guess that the two adults will end up being the replacements to fill the gap from Kako and Chizu's unborn child, though I don't how they'll sign the contract since the object the kids used with Kokopelli was probably destroyed, though I assume there are other ways. Too bad the teacher wasn't killed though, I assumed the way this show treats death that they wouldn't have a problem killing him off, but I guess it's alright. |
Ben said: Too bad the teacher wasn't killed though, I assumed the way this show treats death that they wouldn't have a problem killing him off, but I guess it's alright. I agree Chizu should've killed the guy. That teacher really was scum. |
| ...even a saint needs a soldier to do the dirty work. |
| I didn't think that Chizu wouldn't kill the teacher, she was so well-behaved that she let all of her frustration well up inside her and since she was going to die I thought she would let him have it. In the end I think it was noble of her to let him live even though he didn't really deserve it. There so much that doesn't add up though, nine lights, ten pilots, and eleven enemies remaining, does this now mean that they can't defeat all of the enemies or is one of them going to remain at the end with nothing to fight? I also have the feeling that this is going to be a favorite in the end. |
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| Poor Chizu. I wish she'd squashed that bastard to death. |
| When she hold her stomach i realized she was pregnant and i thought she might get away with it and not die this time because the robot will take the child's life. Instead of that it took both lives.Kind of greedy aren't we? How much life force does that thing needs? Or did it just took her life and the child died immediately with her? Anyway am still surprised by their willingness to go along with it. Personally i would be really pissed of with that stupid Alien doll thing playing games with me that i will do anything to screw his plans and save my life. First i will try to get away from it, find some doctor and convince him to put me into a come or something so i won't be able to drive the stupid thing and it will be force to choose someone else to drive it. Can drive your stupid robot if i ain't even conscious. If that pl;an failed then i would call him in his game and do nothing. Just because he says the earth will blow-up in 48 hours if i don't fight i ain't obliged to believe him. Why should i believe anything that stupid creature says? I think his bluffing. He just wants to play his silly games and that's why he said that. Who cares anyway. For me the world would be like disappearing when i die so why not risk to see if his bluffing? |
| I didn't have much sympathy for Chizu in this episode ... she went on a rampage with the robot they're supposed to use to save the Earth and tried to kill someone, and while she failed to do so it sure looked like she took out a bunch of innocent bystanders in her attempt. Granted, the teacher was a sleezebag, but she was really a dumb and gullible little bitch to have swallowed it all. I was actually more surprised when she *didn't* gore both her sister and the teacher ... it would've fit more with this series' overall feel. The stuff at the end about the lights doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me yet, but I'm hoping it'll be explained eventually. In the meantime I'm fascinated and can't wait to see the rest of their stories unfold, along with the mystery. |
| What a shitty teacher, wish her sister wouldn't have gotten in the way. |
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MRichardson418 said: Pretty good episode. I'm glad the series addressed my concerns about the deficit of pilots vs enemies. And claiming both Chizu as well as her unborn child... ugh... 4/5. Toughen up. Good episode 5/5 |
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| The pregnancy thing doesn't add up a lot at all, Kako when he was talking to Chizu after class seemed like he barely knew her at all, and now their pretty good friends, it's also a fact they haven't been going to school together for some time as well because they state they went to school together, implying my statement. She also states that the teacher "he's still doing that", and that "her sister still doesn't know his true self" when she goes to kill him....all implying quite a lot of time has passed. It would appear they had sex only once because shortly after her trust towards him was destroyed when her sister began dating him. It is decided after 6 weeks after sex that officially, you are pregnant and you don't have a miscarriage, after the first 6 weeks your stomach begins to expand. If she were pregnant, at that stage it would have been obvious to the other students at the summer camp in episode 1 she was pregnant since she was in a bathing suit, her stomach would have been noticeable through it..she would not have her slender body as was animated in the show......I love the show, but this one didn't add up at all :) writer fail |
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| Wow, every episode has done nothing but increase my hate towards Chizu. I'm glad she's dead, now I'll be able to watch the rest of the show in peace. Apparently, Chizu doesn't have any problems with: 1) Having sex with her teacher 2) Forgiving the teacher after he posts a secret video online 3) Sexually teasing (what she said back in episode 5) and eventually killing Kako 4) Abandoning the fight with the enemy robot to seek personal vengeance 5) Knocking the enemy robot over, causing massive collateral damage and probably killing thousands of people But when she actually gets to the part where she's going to kill the teacher, she suddenly stops and says she can't kill him because she always does things "half-assed". Seriously, that's the single most retarded thing I've ever heard a character say considering her circumstances. She just killed hundreds of people without a care in the world, but she can't bring herself to kill that worthless piece-of-trash teacher who took advantage of her. Seriously, if she had just killed that teacher, I might have held a tiny bit of respect for her, but instead she killed hundreds of innocents and let the teacher go. I hate Chizu. I hate her more than I've hated any other character in an anime. I'm glad she's dead. |
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| Oh wow so she was pregnant! Damn that sure added a lot more drama to her death and her backstory! The movement from her sister that suddenly appeared sure was fucked, I would've been really glad to see that she would kill that teacher but alas! They also finally realised what the light means and that things might not go as smooth in the future! |
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Laraso said: Wow, every episode has done nothing but increase my hate towards Chizu. I'm glad she's dead, now I'll be able to watch the rest of the show in peace. Apparently, Chizu doesn't have any problems with: 1) Having sex with her teacher 2) Forgiving the teacher after he posts a secret video online 3) Sexually teasing (what she said back in episode 5) and eventually killing Kako 4) Abandoning the fight with the enemy robot to seek personal vengeance 5) Knocking the enemy robot over, causing massive collateral damage and probably killing thousands of people But when she actually gets to the part where she's going to kill the teacher, she suddenly stops and says she can't kill him because she always does things "half-assed". Seriously, that's the single most retarded thing I've ever heard a character say considering her circumstances. She just killed hundreds of people without a care in the world, but she can't bring herself to kill that worthless piece-of-trash teacher who took advantage of her. Seriously, if she had just killed that teacher, I might have held a tiny bit of respect for her, but instead she killed hundreds of innocents and let the teacher go. I hate Chizu. I hate her more than I've hated any other character in an anime. I'm glad she's dead. Shes not witnessing the deaths shes causing beneath her feet but she is having a very personal moment with her former lover. It's very different. It's like pressing a button and some random person in the world dying and then gunning down your ex from a few hundred feet away. Hard to compare the two and it makes sense she wouldn't be able to do it. She's a little girl who's never killed intentionally in her life and she can't feel the weight of all the deaths she caused incidentally. I think under the circumstances her reactions were justified. I don't even like Chizu, but I did find her story entertaining. The characters thus far have mostly been unlikable pieces of shit, excusing the first kid. But they're all interesting and I have a feeling the remaining pilots aren't going to be as fucked up. Chizu's sister needs more criticism for being stupid enough to stand in front of a giant mech attempting to kill someone, as if it would have any affect in saving him. - This show's great so far, I like the plot and characters a lot more than Evangelion so far, which this show reminds me a good amount of. I wish the mechs looked as good as in Evangelion but it makes up for it with the compelling characters and plot. |
| couldnt help it, i enjoyed watching her die, that girl was an idiot an so was her sister, too bad she survived... though if what ive heard is true the adaptation might ve ruined Chizus character |
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| I was kinda disappointed by this episode. How many times we have seen this same old story play the same exact way already? |
| I'm so pissed right now She didn't kill the teacher I would have killed my sister without a second thought. Or at least get her out of the way |
CnonJul 4, 2015 3:04 PM
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| I like how before she beat the other robot she basically said that ok we all are going to have to pilot this and die, or at least all but one. Can't wait to see them talk about this more. Do they really think dung beetle is just going to let those government people become pilots? Can the solution really be that simple? Kinda hope not. |
| That embryo was a good pilot. True hero With those weak attacks the enemies don't stand a chance |
| It seems that retardation runs in the family. I mean how can two sisters fall for the same douchebag when it is apparent that he is known for spying on girls. Stupid much? Especially if the sister knew about what was going on with her teach and her little sister that makes her even all the more selfish. Eh, she was pregnant, well thats what you get for not using condoms you dumb slut lol. |
| Chizu is not very smart |
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| Imagine how many people died because of this stupid cunt Honda. |
| My day is ruined. We never found out if the teacher stole Chizu's panties. ; _ ; Damn, I was hoping Chizu would get revenge on that nasty teacher. Dude was the scum of the Earth. The lights going out for each death was a neat albeit dark touch. The fact that her unborn child was bound to the contract was twisted. This show never fails to surprise me. I wonder why there's 10 pilots but only 9 lights left. I'm interested to learn more of Zearth's mysteries. Good episode. I wonder who's next on the chopping block. 8/10 |
| Lol that enemy is a bacteriophage with a chainsaw head. xD Poor Chizu, but I'm so glad she didn't kill him and couldn't do it. :( So, she was pregnant. I thought it, when she grabbed her stomach. Maybe she felt how it died. The thought and feeling must be awful. Even if she hated its dad. |
| Well, it looks like they tamed down Chizu's backstory compared to the manga. I guess the director felt like the manga crossed some sort of arbitrary line, maybe? It sounds quite ridiculous saying that her backstory was "toned down," but it really was. That's not to say that the anime's version isn't also terribly nihilistic, cruel, and difficult to watch—it is, just marginally less so. |
| honestly chizu should have killed her teacher. not saying stufff like this lightly but he is a pathetic excuse of a human that does not deserve to be left alive . furthermore she leaves her sister in the care of this exploitative lowlife. she also killed a lot of people by carelessly knocking over the other mech . was that an accident caused by her anger ? yes but at least go all the way. They are dead because of her revenge plan and then she just stops ? |
copperypilot56_ said: CuteAssTiger said: honestly chizu should have killed her teacher. not saying stufff like this lightly but he is a pathetic excuse of a human that does not deserve to be left alive . furthermore she leaves her sister in the care of this exploitative lowlife. she also killed a lot of people by carelessly knocking over the other mech . was that an accident caused by her anger ? yes but at least go all the way. They are dead because of her revenge plan and then she just stops ? I think you can surmise that if she used her energy to kill her OWN sister just to kill a bad human being(teacher), she may have been too drained to fight the monster... we also see in Chizu’s character she was always a kind person and instead of stooping to the level of sin she chose to spare the teacher’s life in order to fight against the monster. But in the end she is still a bad person for letting her anger get the best of her. Anyway, I’d say the subtext here is to know 2 wrongs don’t make a right, and in this way one person out of the kids will get to live I don't think it would have been so difficult to force her sister out of the way. She killed a lot of people just to get to the teacher so those people essentially died for nothing now. Not saying that killing them would have been justified but killing them just to then let the teacher go was truly a pointless waste of human life . 2 wrongs don't make a right but doing something wrong to gain something is better then doing something wrong to gain nothing. The manga does things very different but in the anime version she essentially leaves her sister with a guy that is most likely going to treat her like shit because he is a terrible person . She would have done her sister a favor |
copperypilot56_ said: CuteAssTiger said: I don't think it would have been so difficult to force her sister out of the way. She killed a lot of people just to get to the teacher so those people essentially died for nothing now. Not saying that killing them would have been justified but killing them just to then let the teacher go was truly a pointless waste of human life . 2 wrongs don't make a right but doing something wrong to gain something is better then doing something wrong to gain nothing. The manga does things very different but in the anime version she essentially leaves her sister with a guy that is most likely going to treat her like shit because he is a terrible person . She would have done her sister a favor Lmao this thread is huge now, but yeah it would be against her character to hurt her sister and to take a life, it just shows even in anger she was kind enough to not do that, and about her inadvertently killing others, yeah that makes her gain nothing but that’s not her fault, she can’t control where the other monsters land when falling And I am pretty sure it’s heavily implied that since the whole squad surmised she got impregnated by her teacher, he was going to be sent in jail as result: since chizu’s classmate admitted that she was thought to have been seeing the teacher and that adult sergeant lady seemed like she was going to report that by her reaction to hearing that. So chizu can get her justice the right way without having to kill out of revenge . I thought that was implied so not a plot hole or a loose end or a story direction suggesting pedophilia is accepted. Chizu’s sister will find out and that pedo teacher will get what he deserves We just don’t need to see that part since the plot is continuing the situation of someone causing death due to their own recklessness is literally called manslaughter . so yes that is her fault. she could have been more careful and done her best to cause as little damage as possible but she didn't care. it is not like the monster just tripped and she wasn't able to stop it . she was the one who knocked it over . the anime doesn't really deal with what happens to the teacher afterwards . the manga has a different set of events but that isn't really content that got cut out but still happens off screen. the anime just doesn't deal with it at all . from what we can tell is that chizus sister was willing to die for this man . its doubtful that she will just drop him after this incident. i don't think its a plothole either way. its just a decision that a character makes that I disagree with . its okay the way it is from a storytelling perspective |
| BTW i would highly reccomend the manga if you haven't read it :) the anime is very different and frankly a lot of the later anime plotlines ( the weird yakuza plot that didn't fit into anything) simply doesn't happen in the manga. also the entire face tattoo part isn't in it |
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