| Because of the current airing of TBATE, I have now remembered the existence of Mushoku Tensei and now planning on how i will continue experiencing the story (I have watched up to the end of season 2 part 1). So i have some question 1. How much has the adaptation skipped, and how important is the skipped content? Examples: Monologues, Character screen time, Sexual scenes, uncomfortable parts, etc. 2. is the pacing relatively the same, or is one much slower or faster? 3. This one I'm not sure someone is able to answer, but is there any noteworthy differences between the Japanese LN and the English translation? |
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1. Not much is skipped. I'd say around 90% is directly adapted from LN
2. Neither had pacing issues as such, but if you think like the gen z anime fans who think a mental illness like ED is some random ass plot point then you'd suffer in the season 2 part 1 as well. I wouldn't say it was slow, the pacing was just perfect to focus on how tough it is to deal with such an issue
3. The translations almost always suck. Not that I've read JP LNs but now that I have enough JP knowledge to watch anime without subtitles, I'd say most of the subs even the official subs from Crunchyroll and stuff sometimes don't do justice to the JP dialogues. Although with LN translation, those should be at least twice as good as anime official subs.
2. Neither had pacing issues as such, but if you think like the gen z anime fans who think a mental illness like ED is some random ass plot point then you'd suffer in the season 2 part 1 as well. I wouldn't say it was slow, the pacing was just perfect to focus on how tough it is to deal with such an issue
3. The translations almost always suck. Not that I've read JP LNs but now that I have enough JP knowledge to watch anime without subtitles, I'd say most of the subs even the official subs from Crunchyroll and stuff sometimes don't do justice to the JP dialogues. Although with LN translation, those should be at least twice as good as anime official subs.
SATAN19 said: I honestly enjoyed that arc as much as season 1. Also did the animation quality of season 2 go up in the second half? I remember a big downgrade between S2P1 an S1Also i heard there was skipped content in S1P2 with the maid, is that important in any way?who think a mental illness like ED is some random ass plot point |
WIllowkeeperMay 6, 4:44 PM
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The adaptation obviously skips a lot which is normal for novel adaptations. Mostly it skips world building and the chill moments between the arcs also a lot of dialogue which has left some fans mad about one of the recent developments in anime as something that happened made one of the characters look way worse in the anime than it was in novel as it was not explained well enough.
The animation of the anime has ups and downs but is pretty good troughout. I did like the novels more though as it is more of a journey which is the whole point of this story.
One benefit of reading the novels is also that you know the story in advance and therefore will not be spoiled when some anime retard spoils it.
The novels are very long however and will probably take you around half a year to get trough-depending how much time you have and how fast you read. The pacing is obviously way slower since there is more context.
The character development is obviously also superior in the books.
Anime has some really insane action scenes and the OST is also nice so it is definetely worth watching at some point.
tl;dr: the books add a lot of nice content and i think are better to start with and then after some time watch the anime to revisit the story and watch nice animation
PS: how good is TBATE? Is it worth a watch/a read?
The animation of the anime has ups and downs but is pretty good troughout. I did like the novels more though as it is more of a journey which is the whole point of this story.
One benefit of reading the novels is also that you know the story in advance and therefore will not be spoiled when some anime retard spoils it.
The novels are very long however and will probably take you around half a year to get trough-depending how much time you have and how fast you read. The pacing is obviously way slower since there is more context.
The character development is obviously also superior in the books.
Anime has some really insane action scenes and the OST is also nice so it is definetely worth watching at some point.
tl;dr: the books add a lot of nice content and i think are better to start with and then after some time watch the anime to revisit the story and watch nice animation
PS: how good is TBATE? Is it worth a watch/a read?
Murko644 said: Not sure about the webnovel since i dropped it like 17 chapters in since i found the quality of the writing being as good and sometimes even worse then fantasy/isekai Authors on the Webnovel app/site (from what i have seen, Webnovel authors tend to make a lot of spelling and grammar mistakes). The quality of the anime seems to be worse then your average isekai, although i have only watched clips of it.PS: how good is TBATE? Is it worth a watch/a read? |
| Season 1 is amazing, it does skip a bit but it's a great adaptation. Season 2, on the other hand, is not as well made and skips some large chunks like half of volume 11 and some really important dialogues (ep 23). If you love the story as much as I do, I definitely recommend reading the LN since you've already watched season 1, and then finish the anime. I really hope season 3 will be season 1 level of good because it's going to be insane. If you want me to go into more detail on your points: 1. As all novel adaptations, it skips all of those. A lot of Rudeus's as well as other characters' (there are other POVs) internal monologue is cut, for example in s1e23 you don't really get much of Eris's reasoning for her actions but you get her whole thought process in the book. There is also a lot more sex, as you'd expect, some characters that haven't been introduced and a lot more context for example for what happened to Sylphie and Ariel while they're away. All of this is still acceptable though, the real issues, as I said, are with volumes 11 and 12 (last 6 eps of S2) where so much has been cut including an entire arc and one of the most important dialogues in the series which made the episode way more controversial than it should've been. 2. As you can expect from the above, pacing is a lot faster in the anime, especially in S2 part 2. It's mostly fine, but you get much more of the amazing world building in the book, as well as character interactions and thoughts. 3. There were initially, they had censored some stuff in really idiotic ways that ended up making it worse (like using "womanizer" instead of rapist), but after the deserved backlash they fixed it in the newer editions and now it's fine. If you want to be sure just check that the English release year for the book you're reading is 2021 or later. |
TithainMay 6, 11:57 PM
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Season 1 is amazing, it does skip a bit but it's a great adaptation. Season 2, on the other hand, is not as well made and skips some large chunks like half of volume 11 and some really important dialogues (ep 23). If you love the story as much as I do, I definitely recommend reading the LN since you've already watched season 1, and then finish the anime. I really hope season 3 will be season 1 level of good because it's going to be insane.
If you want me to go into more detail on your points:
1. As all novel adaptations, it skips all of those. A lot of Rudeus's as well as other characters' (there are other POVs) internal monologue is cut, for example in s1e23 you don't really get much of Eris's reasoning for her actions but you get her whole thought process in the book. There is also a lot more sex, as you'd expect, some characters that haven't been introduced and a lot more context for example for what happened to Sylphie and Ariel while they're away. All of this is still acceptable though, the real issues, as I said, are with volumes 11 and 12 (last 6 eps of S2) where so much has been cut including an entire arc and one of the most important dialogues in the series which made the episode way more controversial than it should've been.
2. As you can expect from the above, pacing is a lot faster in the anime, especially in S2 part 2. It's mostly fine, but you get much more of the amazing world building in the book, as well as character interactions and thoughts.
3. There were initially, they had censored some stuff in really idiotic ways that ended up making it worse (like using "womanizer" instead of rapist), but after the deserved backlash they fixed it in the newer editions and now it's fine. If you want to be sure just check that the English release year for the book you're reading is 2021 or later.
If you want me to go into more detail on your points:
1. As all novel adaptations, it skips all of those. A lot of Rudeus's as well as other characters' (there are other POVs) internal monologue is cut, for example in s1e23 you don't really get much of Eris's reasoning for her actions but you get her whole thought process in the book. There is also a lot more sex, as you'd expect, some characters that haven't been introduced and a lot more context for example for what happened to Sylphie and Ariel while they're away. All of this is still acceptable though, the real issues, as I said, are with volumes 11 and 12 (last 6 eps of S2) where so much has been cut including an entire arc and one of the most important dialogues in the series which made the episode way more controversial than it should've been.
2. As you can expect from the above, pacing is a lot faster in the anime, especially in S2 part 2. It's mostly fine, but you get much more of the amazing world building in the book, as well as character interactions and thoughts.
3. There were initially, they had censored some stuff in really idiotic ways that ended up making it worse (like using "womanizer" instead of rapist), but after the deserved backlash they fixed it in the newer editions and now it's fine. If you want to be sure just check that the English release year for the book you're reading is 2021 or later.
Tithain said: One of the big reasons why i was quite hesitant to start S2P2 was because Mushoku Tensei felt like a character drama to me, and after how S2P1 was handled i started to really think about reading the LN. Eris leaving was unsurprising and made a lot of sense, but it still gave me a bad taste in my mouth due to the lack of why, and knowing she won't be in season 2 to get a reasoning. It really did feel like i was missing a lot of context, and it didn't help with S2P1 pacing feeling a bit weird (although i still enjoyed it a lot).1. As all novel adaptations, it skips all of those. A lot of Rudeus's as well as other characters' (there are other POVs) internal monologue is cut, for example in s1e23 you don't really get much of Eris's reasoning for her actions but you get her whole thought process in the book. There is also a lot more sex, as you'd expect, some characters that haven't been introduced and a lot more context for example for what happened to Sylphie and Ariel while they're away. All of this is still acceptable though, the real issues, as I said, are with volumes 11 and 12 (last 6 eps of S2) where so much has been cut including an entire arc and one of the most important dialogues in the series which made the episode way more controversial than it should've been. Tithain said: Honestly with all these recent translation issues (like recently with re:zero) i might just wait until i can read the LN in Japanese. Thanks for the reply btw, this was very helpful!3. There were initially, they had censored some stuff in really idiotic ways that ended up making it worse (like using "womanizer" instead of rapist), but after the deserved backlash they fixed it in the newer editions and now it's fine. If you want to be sure just check that the English release year for the book you're reading is 2021 or later. |
| The anime has outstanding production quality, and apparently it's more morally grey than the LN, so better watch than read. |
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WIllowkeeper said: Tithain said: One of the big reasons why i was quite hesitant to start S2P2 was because Mushoku Tensei felt like a character drama to me, and after how S2P1 was handled i started to really think about reading the LN. Eris leaving was unsurprising and made a lot of sense, but it still gave me a bad taste in my mouth due to the lack of why, and knowing she won't be in season 2 to get a reasoning. It really did feel like i was missing a lot of context, and it didn't help with S2P1 pacing feeling a bit weird (although i still enjoyed it a lot).1. As all novel adaptations, it skips all of those. A lot of Rudeus's as well as other characters' (there are other POVs) internal monologue is cut, for example in s1e23 you don't really get much of Eris's reasoning for her actions but you get her whole thought process in the book. There is also a lot more sex, as you'd expect, some characters that haven't been introduced and a lot more context for example for what happened to Sylphie and Ariel while they're away. All of this is still acceptable though, the real issues, as I said, are with volumes 11 and 12 (last 6 eps of S2) where so much has been cut including an entire arc and one of the most important dialogues in the series which made the episode way more controversial than it should've been. Tithain said: Honestly with all these recent translation issues (like recently with re:zero) i might just wait until i can read the LN in Japanese. Thanks for the reply btw, this was very helpful!3. There were initially, they had censored some stuff in really idiotic ways that ended up making it worse (like using "womanizer" instead of rapist), but after the deserved backlash they fixed it in the newer editions and now it's fine. If you want to be sure just check that the English release year for the book you're reading is 2021 or later. The thing with Eris is that not only you get the reasoning in that moment, but you also get extra chapters in the season 2 arcs that tell you what she's up to, which they obviously couldn't include in the anime and will have to cram in another episode 0 in S3 that will speedrun them, even though they introduce some really important characters, same as what happened with Sylphie. Yeah, Mushoku is mostly a character driven story so even small cuts can be harmful. Still, I think s2p1 is actually decent pacing-wise compared to s2p2 so hesitating was a good choice. Season 2 also loses the incredible animation that characterized S1, although it is better in part 2, so the LN really is superior in every way. It's also complete so you can just read the whole story right now without having to wait and get to the absolute peak that is volume 15. I'm really crossing my fingers for a good adaptation of it in S3. Oh, it goes without saying, but definitely start from the beginning if you read the LN. Yeah, I also look forward to when I'll be able to read the original texts, but that'll take years so I'm stuck with eng translations for now. I think the translation overall here is really good and flows great, so I do recommend it now that it's fixed, although I can't say for sure there aren't any other errors that didn't stir a revolution like those big ones. I can just say it was an amazing read that I couldn't put down. Anyway, I'm glad my obsession was helpful :D |
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WIllowkeeper said:
Tithain said:
1. As all novel adaptations, it skips all of those. A lot of Rudeus's as well as other characters' (there are other POVs) internal monologue is cut, for example in s1e23 you don't really get much of Eris's reasoning for her actions but you get her whole thought process in the book. There is also a lot more sex, as you'd expect, some characters that haven't been introduced and a lot more context for example for what happened to Sylphie and Ariel while they're away. All of this is still acceptable though, the real issues, as I said, are with volumes 11 and 12 (last 6 eps of S2) where so much has been cut including an entire arc and one of the most important dialogues in the series which made the episode way more controversial than it should've been.
One of the big reasons why i was quite hesitant to start S2P2 was because Mushoku Tensei felt like a character drama to me, and after how S2P1 was handled i started to really think about reading the LN. Eris leaving was unsurprising and made a lot of sense, but it still gave me a bad taste in my mouth due to the lack of why, and knowing she won't be in season 2 to get a reasoning. It really did feel like i was missing a lot of context, and it didn't help with S2P1 pacing feeling a bit weird (although i still enjoyed it a lot).1. As all novel adaptations, it skips all of those. A lot of Rudeus's as well as other characters' (there are other POVs) internal monologue is cut, for example in s1e23 you don't really get much of Eris's reasoning for her actions but you get her whole thought process in the book. There is also a lot more sex, as you'd expect, some characters that haven't been introduced and a lot more context for example for what happened to Sylphie and Ariel while they're away. All of this is still acceptable though, the real issues, as I said, are with volumes 11 and 12 (last 6 eps of S2) where so much has been cut including an entire arc and one of the most important dialogues in the series which made the episode way more controversial than it should've been.
Tithain said:
3. There were initially, they had censored some stuff in really idiotic ways that ended up making it worse (like using "womanizer" instead of rapist), but after the deserved backlash they fixed it in the newer editions and now it's fine. If you want to be sure just check that the English release year for the book you're reading is 2021 or later.
Honestly with all these recent translation issues (like recently with re:zero) i might just wait until i can read the LN in Japanese. Thanks for the reply btw, this was very helpful!3. There were initially, they had censored some stuff in really idiotic ways that ended up making it worse (like using "womanizer" instead of rapist), but after the deserved backlash they fixed it in the newer editions and now it's fine. If you want to be sure just check that the English release year for the book you're reading is 2021 or later.
The thing with Eris is that not only you get the reasoning in that moment, but you also get extra chapters in the season 2 arcs that tell you what she's up to, which they obviously couldn't include in the anime and will have to cram in another episode 0 in S3 that will speedrun them, even though they introduce some really important characters, same as what happened with Sylphie. Yeah, Mushoku is mostly a character driven story so even small cuts can be harmful. Still, I think s2p1 is actually decent pacing-wise compared to s2p2 so hesitating was a good choice. Season 2 also loses the incredible animation that characterized S1, although it is better in part 2, so the LN really is superior in every way. It's also complete so you can just read the whole story right now without having to wait and get to the absolute peak that is volume 15. I'm really crossing my fingers for a good adaptation of it in S3. Oh, it goes without saying, but definitely start from the beginning if you read the LN.
Yeah, I also look forward to when I'll be able to read the original texts, but that'll take years so I'm stuck with eng translations for now. I think the translation overall here is really good and flows great, so I do recommend it now that it's fixed, although I can't say for sure there aren't any other errors that didn't stir a revolution like those big ones. I can just say it was an amazing read that I couldn't put down. Anyway, I'm glad my obsession was helpful :D
Tithain said: Honestly I'm confident I might be able to start reading it in around a year. I currently have a ton of time on my hands do to pausing school stuff, constant medical troubles and having to wait around 6months to get tested for other disabilities. But hopefully i will be able to read it before season 3 airs, since i was kinda spoiled on a big thing that happened in the dungeon for S2P2 so i would like to be ahead this time. Yeah, I also look forward to when I'll be able to read the original texts, but that'll take years so I'm stuck with eng translations for now. |
| I liked a lot the S1 and S2 and on my way to watch the new seasons (great stuff) but i was really curious about the light novel. Anyway just saying here that this thread was really good in being informative, nice |
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watch anime and read LN after. anime skips many smaller interactions and 2 bigger events.
spoiler:
anime skips rudest meeting his aunt and the desert journey with elinalise.
smaller interactions include all the different povs we get from other people like his mom and also Eris in training. other smaller stuff too.
spoiler:
anime skips rudest meeting his aunt and the desert journey with elinalise.
smaller interactions include all the different povs we get from other people like his mom and also Eris in training. other smaller stuff too.
IWatchAnimeBruh said: In my opinion, completely removing POV's from other characters doesn't sound small. I only remember a couple of really short scenes with Eris, A few medium longs scene from roxy, episode 0 for Sylphy that felt very fast paced, and a Special for Eris that introduces Cliff which is later seen in S2P1 which could have caused confusion for some people who likely missed the special.smaller interactions include all the different povs we get from other people like his mom and also Eris in training. other smaller stuff too. |
garbage-wasabi said: just drop this pedophile trash Isn’t there pedophilia in evangelion? Never watched it tho so correct me if I’m wrong! |
| Post #15 pretty much answered your questions. As other people has mentioned, great LN adaptations are extremely rare nowadays as anime nowadays are promotional material for the source material, the novels~ In every LN adaptations, monologues tend to be skipped~ |
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Post #15 pretty much answered your questions.
As other people has mentioned, great LN adaptations are extremely rare nowadays as anime nowadays are promotional material for the source material, the novels~
In every LN adaptations, monologues tend to be skipped~
As other people has mentioned, great LN adaptations are extremely rare nowadays as anime nowadays are promotional material for the source material, the novels~
In every LN adaptations, monologues tend to be skipped~
NewestPersonHere said: Thats true, but I rarely ever notice when it comes to high praised anime. Mushoku Tensei, oregairu, and Re:Zero are the only ones so far that felt somewhat off to me for the adaptationsIn every LN adaptations, monologues tend to be skipped~ |
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NewestPersonHere said:
In every LN adaptations, monologues tend to be skipped~
Thats true, but I rarely ever notice when it comes to high praised anime. Mushoku Tensei, oregairu, and Re:Zero are the only ones so far that felt somewhat off to me for the adaptationsIn every LN adaptations, monologues tend to be skipped~
WIllowkeeper said: Mushoku Tensei, oregairu, and Re:Zero are the only ones so far that felt somewhat off to me for the adaptations I cannot speak for Re:Zero and Oregairu. Re:Zero is too long with it having more than 40 volumes. And I am not into GAGAGA Bunko publishes such as Oregairu or Chiramune. Mushoku Tensei’s message is to spread the awareness of outcasts in society. Which requires readers to be aware of the side characters’ thoughts and that is when the monologues of the characters are important~ But the anime has to skip the monologues in the LN or the anime will become too long~ |
Laaziri said: or doesnt read this sh*t who humanize a p*dophile Ironic to hear that from someone who has Violet Evergarden in his favorites, an anime that humanizes ... |
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garbage-wasabi said:
just drop this pedophile trash
just drop this pedophile trash
Isn’t there pedophilia in evangelion? Never watched it tho so correct me if I’m wrong!
| @WIllowkeeper Technically hebephilia, but yes ... I love her btw, she did nothing wrong. |
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WIllowkeeper said:
Isn’t there pedophilia in evangelion? Never watched it tho so correct me if I’m wrong!
garbage-wasabi said:
just drop this pedophile trash
just drop this pedophile trash
Isn’t there pedophilia in evangelion? Never watched it tho so correct me if I’m wrong!
oh really which scene do u mean? bc i can‘t remember it :/
or do u mean the scene in the hospital? Asuka is 14 & shinji is 14 also
| Like i said, i have yet to watched it nor have i seen any clips. garbage-wasabi said: I think i was talking about Misato and Shinji (not sure tho), once in a while i see some people talking about their past "relationship". I also saw a clip on my recommendation page on Youtube that suggested something "sexual" was happening in the clip between them. didn't click on it tho since i didn't want spoilersor do u mean the scene in the hospital? Asuka is 14 & shinji is 14 also |
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Random tidbits from me:
If the pedo/hebe stuff makes you uncomfortable, then don't read the LN. you do get a lot more world building, but it also cranks up the level of depravity equally. If world building and depravity were at a 7/10 intensity in the anime, they are 11/10 in the LN. I just skipped through any time it seemed like the LN were crossing lines I'm not comfy with.
The light novels actually have audiobook format as well on Audible and Spotify. ADHD keeps me from reading, so this was a godsend. Narrator does a great job with the voice acting.
Also, the audiobooks are complete. The anime adaptation probably has 3 more seasons worth of source material - maybe 2 if they keep making them 2-cour seasons and skip side character stories. If you're impatient like me, the LNs will scratch that itch you're looking for.
All that said, I think your best bet would be to catch up on the anime first, then consider picking up the LNs at the correct chapter to continue with the story. The anime is paced very well, and the animation is god tier. Let that hook you first. There have only been 2 things that I get hung up on between the adaption, and neither are particularly important - in fact, one of them just flat out didn't make sense, but that's a spoiler for another time.
If the pedo/hebe stuff makes you uncomfortable, then don't read the LN. you do get a lot more world building, but it also cranks up the level of depravity equally. If world building and depravity were at a 7/10 intensity in the anime, they are 11/10 in the LN. I just skipped through any time it seemed like the LN were crossing lines I'm not comfy with.
The light novels actually have audiobook format as well on Audible and Spotify. ADHD keeps me from reading, so this was a godsend. Narrator does a great job with the voice acting.
Also, the audiobooks are complete. The anime adaptation probably has 3 more seasons worth of source material - maybe 2 if they keep making them 2-cour seasons and skip side character stories. If you're impatient like me, the LNs will scratch that itch you're looking for.
All that said, I think your best bet would be to catch up on the anime first, then consider picking up the LNs at the correct chapter to continue with the story. The anime is paced very well, and the animation is god tier. Let that hook you first. There have only been 2 things that I get hung up on between the adaption, and neither are particularly important - in fact, one of them just flat out didn't make sense, but that's a spoiler for another time.
NecroSpective said: Personally for me, even if the pedo/hebe stuff makes me uncomfortable, i really dislike skipping episodes even if it's filler. also when a scene does feel uncomfortable (like the anime has made me many time already) it mostly just tells me it was well written, and i don't get that feeling often so i tend to not skip. you could even argue that Rudeus isn't a pedo and just a complete pervert. The most i would do if i feel really uncomfortable with a scene is just pause the anime and come back later, an example would be Happy sugar life which i paused 6+months ago because i physically felt like barfing (probably because some of the main cast are pedos including the protagonist)If the pedo/hebe stuff makes you uncomfortable, then don't read the LN. you do get a lot more world building, but it also cranks up the level of depravity equally. If world building and depravity were at a 7/10 intensity in the anime, they are 11/10 in the LN. I just skipped through any time it seemed like the LN were crossing lines I'm not comfy with. NecroSpective said: I have ADHD as well and i'm quite the opposite, i can't use an audiobook for the life of me, i find the voices to be distracting and since it's audio i can't read it at my own pace like i can do with a book. Although i am quite inconsistent on when i read, and when i do i tend to re-read sentences and sometimes pages multiple times, and sometimes fall asleep. It takes me forever to read.ADHD keeps me from reading, so this was a godsend. Narrator does a great job with the voice acting. NecroSpective said: I think i might just wait until i see how well season 3 does.All that said, I think your best bet would be to catch up on the anime first, then consider picking up the LNs at the correct chapter to continue with the story. |
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