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Dec 11, 2025 5:07 PM
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There is a surprising lack of cynicism about humans for these first 28 episodes.

When you have this almost eternally long-living character that gets to witness the growth and actions of humanity, you would usually expect them to have a rather cynical view on human nature, which would perhaps be reflected in the show. Rather, here you have a show that really portrays most of the people we see as trustworthy.

The villagers are benevolent, the chief of the town they saved is competent and reasonable, and none of them ever act in a way that makes them seem terribly antagonistic. Sure, there's that "brat", but 80 years later and he now seems a more reasonable man. The true malevolence in the story are demons.

People rarely lie in this story. And I think this is part of what contributes to making the story feel so comfortable. Everything can be taken genuinely, and here despite sacrificing some potential suspense I think establishing the characters as well-meaning people is more important thematically.

I think you can say that this means the show also sacrifices a bit of complexity. However, I think that could be a good thing. Frieren is already rather complex in its parallelism and symbolism, and really does not need something else that the audience needs to make connections/attempts at deductions about.

Just some thoughts, really.




Dec 11, 2025 5:46 PM
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I disagree with the premise. It is not surprising at all. Let the irony of you ascribing cynicism as the obvious perspective a wise, long lived soul would have when it comes to humans when you yourself are a relatively short lived and inexperienced soul by your own logic not be lost...

It absolutely makes sense that Frieren doesn't distrust the humans she meets, and that they generally turn out to in fact be ethical, honorable and honest towards her. In short, the reasons are:

who she is,
the places where they meet,
the fact that demons exist and
the medieval era setting.
Dec 11, 2025 7:17 PM
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I've had similar thoughts before. Besides, I find it strange that after living so long, Frieren could still cry for Himmel after his death. I don't think I need to live for centuries to understand human feelings or my own feelings, even if elves are a different kind of race.

We can't forget that this isn't a seinen manga, but a shounen fantasy drama and adventure manga. We can't take certain things too seriously. Even so, as someone who has read all the released chapters of the manga and watched the anime twice, I can say that Frieren has certain aspects that can make us reflect on life, although it's not as profound as in other more mature works.
Dec 11, 2025 7:29 PM
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I disagree with the premise. It is not surprising at all. Let the irony of you ascribing cynicism as the obvious perspective a wise, long lived soul would have when it comes to humans when you yourself are a relatively short lived and inexperienced soul by your own logic not be lost...

It absolutely makes sense that Frieren doesn't distrust the humans she meets, and that they generally turn out to in fact be ethical, honorable and honest towards her. In short, the reasons are:

who she is,
the places where they meet,
the fact that demons exist and
the medieval era setting.
@IhnalakoKaina

I think I should have made it clear that the cynicism some people may be expecting is a pattern in media (or at least the media/discourse that I have seen), rather than what I think they should be.

The nature of the series is exactly why the people are more or less good in this story (they have demons as a common enemy, etc). I wanted to say that this created something different to what the typical viewpoint of a long-living person seems to be, not that this long-living person should be something in particular. I didn't really check the phrasing so that's my fault.
Dec 11, 2025 7:39 PM
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I've had similar thoughts before. Besides, I find it strange that after living so long, Frieren could still cry for Himmel after his death. I don't think I need to live for centuries to understand human feelings or my own feelings, even if elves are a different kind of race.

We can't forget that this isn't a seinen manga, but a shounen fantasy drama and adventure manga. We can't take certain things too seriously. Even so, as someone who has read all the released chapters of the manga and watched the anime twice, I can say that Frieren has certain aspects that can make us reflect on life, although it's not as profound as in other more mature works.
@ReMightyRon

I think it is difficult for us to empathize with Frieren completely just because of how short we live in comparison.

From what I presume I think her isolation in that forest for (500?) years would be pretty detrimental to her ability to resonate with others, and she had only come out of that forest 80 years ago.

Even if she had some understanding before (from Flamme,) some or most of that probably had to be re-learned? If elves perceive time differently, maybe to her she has had no time at all to learn and understand emotion? Again, all I can do is theorize, but it does seem conceivable.
Dec 11, 2025 8:07 PM
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micro_phone said:
@ReMightyRon

I think it is difficult for us to empathize with Frieren completely just because of how short we live in comparison.

From what I presume I think her isolation in that forest for (500?) years would be pretty detrimental to her ability to resonate with others, and she had only come out of that forest 80 years ago.

Even if she had some understanding before (from Flamme,) some or most of that probably had to be re-learned? If elves perceive time differently, maybe to her she has had no time at all to learn and understand emotion? Again, all I can do is theorize, but it does seem conceivable.

I think Frieren was selfish with her own time, never caring about the time of others, but after joining the hero's party and fighting demons to protect people, she became more empathetic, especially after seeing Himmel age and die. This allowed her to understand that she truly enjoyed the time she spent with them and from then on would try to understand humans for real.

It wasn't specified how long Frieren spent in isolation after Flamme died, but given that this is part of the nature of elves in this story—which is why no others of the same species appear besides Kraft and Serie as they are a nearly extinct species in this era—it doesn't surprise me that she doesn't have a comprehensive understanding of many things, even after living so long. It's somewhat contradictory, but again, the story wasn't meant to be so realistic, just deeply moving, and that's what makes this anime better than others in the same genre.
ReMightyRonDec 11, 2025 8:13 PM
Dec 11, 2025 9:41 PM
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@IhnalakoKaina

I think I should have made it clear that the cynicism some people may be expecting is a pattern in media (or at least the media/discourse that I have seen), rather than what I think they should be.

The nature of the series is exactly why the people are more or less good in this story (they have demons as a common enemy, etc). I wanted to say that this created something different to what the typical viewpoint of a long-living person seems to be, not that this long-living person should be something in particular. I didn't really check the phrasing so that's my fault.

yeah, maybe by not pre phrasing every ought by the words "I think" you could make it seem like it's not your own opinion of what things should be like, but even if it isn't, I cannot see how your claims are correct.

Perhaps name a couple out of the supposed multitude of long lived characters that show cynicism towards the human race. I get the feeling that I can name as many and one more that are the opposite.

And we're talking about unsubstantiated generalized prejudice. Earlier I emphasized "generally" since there are some humans in this show that aren't good, or at least neutral, and towards whom Frieren doesn't show the same attitude that she has with villagers or other normal people. This as it relates to Frieren herself.

As for the scheming or ethically ambiguous humans, such as scamming merchants, thieves, bandits, evil and corrupt aristocrats, and so on, I genuinely don't see how this show's "lack" of such characters is in any way unusual or illogical/unrealistic, for the reasons I listed before.

If there was a scale as to how negative/realistic/positive a show was in terms of its characters, Frieren would be balanced, on or near the middle, shit like Hametsu no Oukoku or Berserk would be on or near the 100% negative extreme, and some stuff like BOFURI or Akebi-chan would be on the 0% extreme. If anything, you're correct in pointing out that non-comedy, fantasy adventure anime tends to lean towards the negative side. Doesn't change the fact that objectively the world of Frieren is very reasonable and realistic, and by no means is it fluffed or made chill or agreeable artificially.
Dec 11, 2025 10:29 PM
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micro_phone said:
@IhnalakoKaina

I think I should have made it clear that the cynicism some people may be expecting is a pattern in media (or at least the media/discourse that I have seen), rather than what I think they should be.

The nature of the series is exactly why the people are more or less good in this story (they have demons as a common enemy, etc). I wanted to say that this created something different to what the typical viewpoint of a long-living person seems to be, not that this long-living person should be something in particular. I didn't really check the phrasing so that's my fault.

yeah, maybe by not pre phrasing every ought by the words "I think" you could make it seem like it's not your own opinion of what things should be like, but even if it isn't, I cannot see how your claims are correct.

Perhaps name a couple out of the supposed multitude of long lived characters that show cynicism towards the human race. I get the feeling that I can name as many and one more that are the opposite.

And we're talking about unsubstantiated generalized prejudice. Earlier I emphasized "generally" since there are some humans in this show that aren't good, or at least neutral, and towards whom Frieren doesn't show the same attitude that she has with villagers or other normal people. This as it relates to Frieren herself.

As for the scheming or ethically ambiguous humans, such as scamming merchants, thieves, bandits, evil and corrupt aristocrats, and so on, I genuinely don't see how this show's "lack" of such characters is in any way unusual or illogical/unrealistic, for the reasons I listed before.

If there was a scale as to how negative/realistic/positive a show was in terms of its characters, Frieren would be balanced, on or near the middle, shit like Hametsu no Oukoku or Berserk would be on or near the 100% negative extreme, and some stuff like BOFURI or Akebi-chan would be on the 0% extreme. If anything, you're correct in pointing out that non-comedy, fantasy adventure anime tends to lean towards the negative side. Doesn't change the fact that objectively the world of Frieren is very reasonable and realistic, and by no means is it fluffed or made chill or agreeable artificially.
IhnalakoKaina said:
yeah, maybe by not pre phrasing every ought by the words "I think" you could make it seem like it's not your own opinion of what things should be like, but even if it isn't, I cannot see how your claims are correct.

Perhaps name a couple out of the supposed multitude of long lived characters that show cynicism towards the human race. I get the feeling that I can name as many and one more that are the opposite.

And we're talking about unsubstantiated generalized prejudice. Earlier I emphasized "generally" since there are some humans in this show that aren't good, or at least neutral, and towards whom Frieren doesn't show the same attitude that she has with villagers or other normal people. This as it relates to Frieren herself.

As for the scheming or ethically ambiguous humans, such as scamming merchants, thieves, bandits, evil and corrupt aristocrats, and so on, I genuinely don't see how this show's "lack" of such characters is in any way unusual or illogical/unrealistic, for the reasons I listed before.

If there was a scale as to how negative/realistic/positive a show was in terms of its characters, Frieren would be balanced, on or near the middle, shit like Hametsu no Oukoku or Berserk would be on or near the 100% negative extreme, and some stuff like BOFURI or Akebi-chan would be on the 0% extreme. If anything, you're correct in pointing out that non-comedy, fantasy adventure anime tends to lean towards the negative side. Doesn't change the fact that objectively the world of Frieren is very reasonable and realistic, and by no means is it fluffed or made chill or agreeable artificially.


From hearing this perhaps it could be that what I have watched has a relatively negative portrayal and this seems more positive in comparison. After all, I have not watched that much media, let alone anime, which probably makes me more prone to a bias on one side.

I realize I was probably wrong on Frieren as a character. Her whole purpose is aligned with humanity's in the show, so it would probably be awkward if she held humans in a really negative manner. Hence maybe talking about the show itself makes more sense.

Maybe a better way to frame the feeling I get from the show is that it puts more emphasis on showing positive humanity (especially the kindness of villagers). A group of "rough-looking men" are actually just sweets lovers, A woman offers Fern free bread for going often, etc.

When a show portrays a "bad human", for example a thief, it feels more commonplace (at least to me, with my biases,) while a portrayal of random kindness seems more of a rarity. Frieren has these bad people, but maybe because they never seem to be much of a bother, or their negative traits/acts are often associated with humour (especially with the "corrupt priest",) it feels less prominent? I find myself trying to quantify a feeling, and I'm not sure if it's making sense.

Maybe I just need to watch some things that are more positive.



Dec 12, 2025 7:09 AM
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IhnalakoKaina said:
micro_phone said:
@IhnalakoKaina

I think I should have made it clear that the cynicism some people may be expecting is a pattern in media (or at least the media/discourse that I have seen), rather than what I think they should be.

The nature of the series is exactly why the people are more or less good in this story (they have demons as a common enemy, etc). I wanted to say that this created something different to what the typical viewpoint of a long-living person seems to be, not that this long-living person should be something in particular. I didn't really check the phrasing so that's my fault.

yeah, maybe by not pre phrasing every ought by the words "I think" you could make it seem like it's not your own opinion of what things should be like, but even if it isn't, I cannot see how your claims are correct.

Perhaps name a couple out of the supposed multitude of long lived characters that show cynicism towards the human race. I get the feeling that I can name as many and one more that are the opposite.

And we're talking about unsubstantiated generalized prejudice. Earlier I emphasized "generally" since there are some humans in this show that aren't good, or at least neutral, and towards whom Frieren doesn't show the same attitude that she has with villagers or other normal people. This as it relates to Frieren herself.

As for the scheming or ethically ambiguous humans, such as scamming merchants, thieves, bandits, evil and corrupt aristocrats, and so on, I genuinely don't see how this show's "lack" of such characters is in any way unusual or illogical/unrealistic, for the reasons I listed before.

If there was a scale as to how negative/realistic/positive a show was in terms of its characters, Frieren would be balanced, on or near the middle, shit like Hametsu no Oukoku or Berserk would be on or near the 100% negative extreme, and some stuff like BOFURI or Akebi-chan would be on the 0% extreme. If anything, you're correct in pointing out that non-comedy, fantasy adventure anime tends to lean towards the negative side. Doesn't change the fact that objectively the world of Frieren is very reasonable and realistic, and by no means is it fluffed or made chill or agreeable artificially.

I am really enjoying y’all’s back and forth. While I don’t have a dog in this fight, I would like to call out that your own point of non-comedy fantasy adventure anime skewing negative contextualizes OP’s original point of Frieren skewing positive - at least within the context of “similar” works. So I don’t think saying you can’t see how they got there seems fair.

Nonetheless I don’t really disagree with your overall perspective, but I can still see how OP got to theirs as well. It’s clear yall are both thinkers and your perspectives were fun to read!

You also really cooked with your first paragraph in your first reply lol.
Dec 13, 2025 3:19 AM
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Im sure her party helped protect her from any bad she would have seen. The demons being at war with the humans probably made the humans want to be even better too, I could see there being a lot more bad humans once the war has stopped.
Dec 13, 2025 3:51 AM

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Better be a realist than a cynic.
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Dec 13, 2025 5:01 AM
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Well, it's Frieren. Breaking Bad next door.

More seriously, the most "surprising" thing about Frieren is that they have made a masterpiece anime while accurately following some dull manga. I'm still impressed.
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