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Jan 3, 12:33 AM

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Hi guys! I'm kind of new to this forum posting thing, but I really wanted to talk about Fire Punch and had no one else to come to :(. Anyways, I just finished reading it in its entirety today and today alone. Something that REALLY did not sit well with me was the incest. Like I get that

It really doesn't sit well with me, and I was wondering what y'all thought about this detail and how it relates to the great story.

p.s. I LOVE Tatsuki Fujimoto's works. I started getting into it with the Chainsaw Man hype a while back... but it really struck a chord within me and I've been eating up ALL of his other work too. The only story I didn't really like was Look Back. I would love to talk more about Manga and Anime with someone, so in the comments, ask if you're interested so that I can share Discord :)).

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Jan 3, 12:56 AM

HeIuna

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Call me delusional or what ever but I think that Luna didn't had any romantic feelings. They were just brother and sister. When Agni lost luna and lived in pain for so long he started developing messed feelings to his sister and then deflected those feelings to the girl he named as luna and feel in love.

Jan 3, 1:01 AM

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In the world they lived in, the line between right and wrong was practically non-existent. They were kids, and probably didn't even realize incest was bad or even something worth contemplating. I think people love to take scenes out of context and often fail to understand the intricacies of world building. Not everything in a story needs to fit modern standards.

Jan 3, 1:02 AM

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@HeIuna thanks for replying!

I really agree that Agni is MEGA traumatized and definitely groomed Judah pt. 2, but in the chapter 1, real luna did like suggest to have intercourse... also how do you think Agni deflicted his feelings onto Judah pt. 2 and what were those feelings/where did they stem from?

Jan 3, 1:09 AM

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@FreudsMother thanks for replying, also love the name lol! (very fitting for the topic)

I am SO glad that you pointed out the world-building! I really love how Fujimoto considers history when creating his stories!!
My issue with the incest is how, in the first chapter, Agni was able to refuse his sister when she asked him about doing the deed. That means that Agni understands the taboo of incest despite their dystopian world. I really thought that in the latter half of the story, where Judah pt. 2 comes and plays the role of Luna, it was frustrating because I felt that it was in character for him to treat her as his brother and nothing more. It just really messes with my head.

Jan 3, 1:21 AM

HeIuna

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ammer_ammie said:
@HeIuna thanks for replying!

I really agree that Agni is MEGA traumatized and definitely groomed Judah pt. 2, but in the chapter 1, real luna did like suggest to have intercourse... also how do you think Agni deflicted his feelings onto Judah pt. 2 and what were those feelings/where did they stem from?

When Luna said something inapropriat it was just kids being kids nothing romantical. Later when Agni thought that Luna had have some other than platonic feelings to him it were just his minds playing tricks on him.

Later when Judah came and Agni started to love her it was Agni being lonely and needing someone to love and before that only love he had known was love to his sister and that got him mixed up with loving his sister platonically and loving Judah romantically.

Ik I might be just coping but I refuse to believe that fire punch wants to tell story about romance between siblings.

Jan 3, 1:27 AM

ammer_ammie

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@HeIuna
NO I FEEL THE SAME WAY TOOOO!!!
I really am not sure if what type of love even is in play with fire punch let alone if it even is love. I find the last scene where Agni holds Judah really REALLY bittersweet. He never really learns who Judah is besides the fact that she was a cult leader. The only reasons he recognizes Judah is because she looks like his sister. What upsets me the most is thinking that Agni has fostered a sister complex or something because of all of his trauma ;-;.

Jan 3, 1:32 AM

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youre not supposed to like it…

did you like the cannibalism? the torture? rape?

its a cruel world that messes with the heads of inhabitants. fujimoto uses these taboos as ways of fleshing out the world building like another commenter says

Jan 3, 1:36 AM

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@keinboesewicht
Hmm now that you put it that way, it makes a lot more sense! Thank you! :))

Jan 3, 2:37 AM

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It's fine if it makes you uncomfortable, in fact it's meant to make you uncomfortable. But to question its necessity and importance to the story means you never truly understood it.

Jan 3, 3:13 AM

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fujimoto does not know how to handle heavy topics
this manga felt like a 14 year olds edgy fan fiction and i seriously dont understand how People unironically call this peak fiction

Jan 3, 3:37 AM

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incest is wincest

Jan 3, 3:45 AM

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Tithain

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With how many messed up things are represented in the manga, it sure is interesting that incest is what bothers you as it's not even close to being the worst thing shown nor the worst thing Agni does. Furthermore, Judah is not Luna, she's not his sister so it's not even real incest at that point. But of course the whole point of the manga is that we make stories out of ourselves to fit us in the identities that we want or desire, so the ambiguity is not just intentional but the point.

The other point is the age old beauty in a terrible world. In the midst of the complete degeneration of humanity that is depicted, can we find beauty, can we find love? The incestuous love between Agni and Luna is exactly that: something warped and distorted but still genuine and beautiful. It's a real feeling of care and love that persists in spite of the decadence around, even if it gets accordingly twisted.

This kind of nuance and delicacy is what makes Fujimoto such a genius in how he shapes his most brutal world.

Jan 3, 7:09 AM

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Cairenan

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fujimoto did not write his manga for you and he couldnt care less if you find incest bad

Jan 3, 9:47 AM

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Mr_Sai said:
fujimoto does not know how to handle heavy topics
this manga felt like a 14 year olds edgy fan fiction and i seriously dont understand how People unironically call this peak fiction

weird way to admit you dont get it… but okay

Jan 3, 9:49 AM

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keinboesewicht said:

Mr_Sai said:
fujimoto does not know how to handle heavy topics
this manga felt like a 14 year olds edgy fan fiction and i seriously dont understand how People unironically call this peak fiction

weird way to admit you dont get it… but okay

"yOu JuSt DoN't GeT iT bRo" is always such a weak exuse to defend this shit

Jan 3, 10:49 AM

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Mr_Sai said:

keinboesewicht said:

weird way to admit you dont get it… but okay

"yOu JuSt DoN't GeT iT bRo" is always such a weak exuse to defend this shit

this bait is so peak I could die

Jan 3, 10:57 AM

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Merve2Love

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Okay, cool. Don't watch it.
It's not for you. I understand that.

Your morality doesn't matter, tho.
Neither does mine. It shouldn't influence how shows are made. You don't mind the horrific killings that happen in CSM. You're cherry picking your outrage^^

It doesn't sit well? It's eating you up?
Touch some grass.

Learn to distinguish between actual real life and a fictional story.

Jan 3, 1:55 PM

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Mr_Sai said:
fujimoto does not know how to handle heavy topics
this manga felt like a 14 year olds edgy fan fiction and i seriously dont understand how People unironically call this peak fiction

It’s really simple why you don’t understand it.
It’s because you and these people have different tastes.
Not everything is made for everyone, don’t waste your time thinking how others can like something that you don’t like.

Jan 3, 5:34 PM

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It's a bit perplexing that "the incest" doesn't sit well with you, since this series doesn't actually have any incest to begin with. Agni conclusively, bluntly rejects Luna early on and she dies soon after. His actual romantic and sexual interest, Judah, is completely unrelated to him.

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Jan 3, 9:37 PM

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Fucked up, extremely dark manga filled with extremely morally fucked up things has morally fucked up thing in it: “guys this doesn’t sit right with me!”

Jan 3, 9:57 PM

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@fleurbleue commit_crime and the impact of his departure has been disastrous for the incest supporters

Jan 4, 12:14 AM

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Noctourniquet

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yeah, incest is bad. i don't think the manga is glorifying it. you're not supposed to like it. what's the problem?

Jan 4, 12:22 AM

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ammer_ammie

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yeah, incest is bad. i don't think the manga is glorifying it. you're not supposed to like it. what's the problem?

@Noctourniquet It was just really weird lol

Like, honestly, I'm used to all the gore and other stuff because of Chainsawman and like Berserk and all those other manga. As someone with a sibling, it just didn't sit right with me at all.

Jan 4, 12:25 AM

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ammer_ammie said:
@Noctourniquet It was just really weird lol

Like, honestly, I'm used to all the gore and other stuff because of Chainsawman and like Berserk and all those other manga. As someone with a sibling, it just didn't sit right with me at all.

...yeah. that's the point.

Jan 4, 12:29 AM

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ammer_ammie

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...yeah. that's the point.

@Noctourniquet

Yeah, I got that xd

I just really wanted to talk with someone about it cause it made me feel uncomfortable (which I know is the point xd)

It's just that I don't think I would've had a chance to talk about this stuff anywhere else cause theres no where to and no one ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

BUT THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO REPLIED TO THE POST :))

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