Hakari vs Yuji conversation sparks another debate

Bruh I have been on anime for like literally almost a decade since I was a little child, and it's so refreshing to see an anime not having your average weeb ass directing thta you had in season one or literally any other anime out there. Reason why I also loved Chainsaw Man s1 and the movie, it's way more interesting when an adaptation embraces the creativity of it own team... When it's done well of course.

deflecting proper critique by lowering people and brushing off complaints in generalizing them alike isn't how we're to go about this. there are completely valid reasons to dislike some of the creative liberties taken by mappa recently. personally loved every one of them

@kArtCam S1's directing wasn't average.
Firstly, neither seasons have average directing. You don't watch average shows, so you don't know how average directing looks like.
Secondly, just because something is not average, it's not necessarily good. S1 is a good example of having good direction, while S3 is a good example of having bad direction.

Ex-Arm had also "unique" directing and it's the lowest rated 12-episode long anime.


I'm not even a manga reader and one of my favorite franchise is Monogatari. Taking creative liberties is fine if those changes make sense/work in favor of the anime and its message that tries to deliver.

The thing is, Goshozono is not good at that, therefore make bad changes or in worst case scenario he doesn't even try to adapt it into a new medium.

@ktg s1 was average for things expect action while s3 has been excellent in every department

It's actually the opposite.
S1 was outstanding in almost every aspect. The writing and the compositing were weak.
While S3 is more or less below average in almost every aspect. The animation is the only outstanding part at this point.


* I compared them to industry standards, so the sound directing and VA'ing is generally good in both cases, but that's usually the case in this industry.


Lol, why are you lying? :D
I literally explained how a director should adapt an exposition heavy episode like S3E3. Animation is a visual medium, so a director should use visual story-telling. If people stand in a white room without moving and you don't show anything, then you failed to adapt that episode.

Look, kiddo, just compare it to Medalist S2E2, where we also have an exposition episode, but it's visually engaging and interesting, because the mentioned rules are presented with visual aid. Or look at Oshi no Ko S3E3, where we also have an exposition episode and somehow they managed to use visual story-telling.

It's so fkn easy to do if you are not talentless.

It's actually the opposite.
S1 was outstanding in almost every aspect. The writing and the compositing were weak.
While S3 is more or less below average in almost every aspect. The animation is the only outstanding part at this point.


* I compared them to industry standards, so the sound directing and VA'ing is generally good in both cases, but that's usually the case in this industry.


Lol, why are you lying? :D
I literally explained how a director should adapt an exposition heavy episode like S3E3. Animation is a visual medium, so a director should use visual story-telling. If people stand in a white room without moving and you don't show anything, then you failed to adapt that episode.

Look, kiddo, just compare it to Medalist S2E2, where we also have an exposition episode, but it's visually engaging and interesting, because the mentioned rules are presented with visual aid. Or look at Oshi no Ko S3E3, where we also have an exposition episode and somehow they managed to use visual story-telling.

It's so fkn easy to do if you are not talentless.

You literally proved my point. I said that it's below average in almost every aspect but the animation. Your counter argument was that the animation looks good and you couldn't name another aspect that outstanding. :DDD
That's my point. We can only point to the animation because everything else fails. That's why you couldn't mention this really good aspects. So, thanks, you proved my point, Goshozono is a bad director. :)

As for Oshi no Ko and Medalist, those were exposition episodes. The whole point of the Medalist episode is to explain how the point system works in ice skating. Yes, it feels like you are watching a competition. This is what it means to be a good director, you won't notice when the whole episode is about explaining rules. But in this case it was the rules of ice skating, while in the case of JJK, it was the culling games. And in Osho ni Ko, the whole episode was about explaining how manga rights are handled. The reason why you missed this here is that they cleverly portrayed as interesting interviews.

This is what it means to be a good director. You didn't notice that these were exposition episodes, because the directors were good. You noticed it in case of JJK, because the directore was bad. You statement literally proved my point again and again.


Really funny that this is the best comeback you were able to come up. xDDD
It looks like I was right with labeling you as a kid. :DDDD

Look, if I was wrong, you would have refuted me, but you just starting projecting how you dropped out of primary school. It's just pathetic at this point. You should really finish your education, it's really important, especially this day and age, and I say this as a software engineer.

@ktg

"You didn't notice that these were exposition episodes, because the directors were good"

Gosso wasn't even the director of episode 3 :D

"Look, if I was wrong, you would have refuted me"

It's so funny you're saying that :D

Oh, by the way, do you want a source showing that Yuusuke Kawakami praised Gosso :D, You chose to stay silent because it's obvious you're ignorant :D But don't worry bro, maybe one day you'll finish primary school :D

"I say this as a software engineer"

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Honestly, buddy, don't tell anyone you're studying software engineering with your level of ignorance, you'll make a fool of yourself :D, although you're probably already making a fool of yourself xD

You just proved that you don't know what the director's job is.
So for example, Kimi no Na wa had a director and an episode director as well. Interestingly everyone talks about The director's, Makoto Shinkai's, skill and not about the episode director.


You literally replied to MY comment. Implying that I'm trying to stay silent is just hilarious. This is why you are projecting again. Look, just because you failed to finish primary school, others might be a bit luckier than you.

The original statement was not about one person, but how everyone from the animation industry praised him. This was obviously a lie.
But secondly and more importantly, Kawakami is not on the level to be relevant in this discussion. Quote Miyazaki, Watanabe, Anno, Shinkai, Hosoda or someone with long-term, high-quality, directing track record.


See, this is why we know that you are a kid. I wasn't saying that I'm studying software engineering, you just can't read so this was your conclusion, even though I explicitly stated that already am a software engineer.

Also, I was the only one who referred to facts. So you are projecting, again, that you have high level of ignorance.

@ktg


"I explicitly stated that already am a software engineer"

Dude, you realize this is much more embarrassing for you :D


"Kawakami is not on the level to be relevant in this discussion"

Nope, he's definitely someone worth paying attention to, yet you're still crying :D

I'm sorry, but the fact that Kawakami isn't as important as Miyazaki doesn't mean his ideas are unimportant 🤷‍♂️


"Interestingly everyone talks about The director's, Makoto Shinkai's, skill and not about the episode director"

So you're saying that because fans didn't praise the episode director, it's right to attribute all praise or criticism to the General Director :D

Dude, as someone who claims to be a software engineer (which isn't very convincing :D), aren't you ashamed to defend this ridiculous logic :D

With your logic, if fans praised the animation studio for an animation sequence in an anime, we should ignore the key animator :D, since fans don't care about the key animators and attribute the praise to the Studio anyway :D

You can see how absurd your logic is from this alone xD

Fans don't shower episode directors with praise because most fans don't even know who the episode director is :). People praise Makoto Shinkai because of his aesthetic sense he established, just like Gosso has a much better aesthetic sense than Park, and we saw how bad Park's aesthetic style was in JJK and Ninja Kamui :D

Look, for example, the director of episode 6 of season 3 of JJK is Seimei Kidokoro, a former Shaft director, and when we look at the preview images of episode 6, you can see that the aesthetic style of the series has changed. Therefore, your belittling of the role of episode director clearly shows how ignorant you are :D.

As I said, try to finish elementary school from scratch kiddo :D

Not really. I mean, noone was able to even present a counter argument. Even you, who obviously think of himself as someone smart, couldn't really come up with anything. You pointed out how the episode director is a different person, but this only proved that you don't know what Goshozono's job is and how some inexperienced episode director praised Goshozono, but that's more hilarious, because it means that real director didn't even mention him.

It would be embarrassing if I couldn't make a single argument, like how you failed to do it. :)


Let's compare 3 people to see how good he is or how relevant he is in this industry.
Kawakami's first work - according to MAL - was in 2015. So he worked more or less 10 years in the industry. His highest positions are storyboard/episode director.
Let's check what realistic by comparing it to other animators in the industry. For example, you claim that Goshozono is really good, then compare Kawakami with him. When did Goshozono started? In 2015 and by 2023 he was a director. So in 8 years he achieved a better position.
Another example is Saitou, who also started in 2015 and by 2022 he was a director, that means he achieved it in 7 years.

So what are you talking about exactly? Kawakami, if he's truly that talented in directing, would have been able to be a director at least once.


Another example when we can see that you can't read. Unlike you, I'm not talking about fans, because fans don't know anything about the industry.
The reason why INDUSTRY VETERANS praise the director because they know what a director does and what an episode director does, unlike you. Therefore they can clearly differentiate between what they want to praise.


No, because it's only ridiculous if you can't read and misinterpret, like you did. :DDDD


That's why you should interpret what the other person say, because your "counter argument" is literally my point.

Look, this wasn't the first time when you failed to understand my point. At best your reading comprehension is on the level of a 14 year old kid. Maybe instead of talking about what I should be embarrassed about, you should look into the mirror.


Lol, Ninja Kamui was expected to be anime of the year after the first episode, because it was that good. :DD
You couldn't have named a worse example to attack Park and prove that you don't know what a director's job is. :DDD

Also, if the "aesthetics" - I don't think you know what this means, but ok - would be Goshozono's style, then S2 and S3 had similar aesthetics, but that's not true. :D
Even in the newest episode you can see how different it is, when someone else was doing the storyboard and how stronger it is, even though you can still see where Goshozono made changes and how weaker that specific scene became.


You know that what you are calling here "aesthetics", actually depends on the storyboard artist, right? You really don't know what an episode director does. xDDDD
And on the top of that, S3E6 was also storyboarded by Goshozono, so if you truly think that something changed - I don't -, then you are proving my point by admitting that Goshozono is not even consistent with his style.

To be fair, what you've seen with the stars in S3E6 is what a director's job should be. Having a visual story-telling with expositions, but we also had the awful narrator moment in this episode, so assume both of these came from the manga.


You literally managed to misinterpret my points twice in just 2 comments. As I said, it's clear for everyone that you are projecting and that's why you can't read properly.

@ktg

"Not really. I mean, noone was able to even present a counter argument"

Nope, I've given you plenty of arguments, look, you're still whining :D, actually you haven't offered anything at all.


"Kawakami, if he's truly that talented in directing, would have been able to be a director at least once"

Oh my ignorant friend xD
Kawakami Bocchi the Rock was the "Live Director," even if we consider that an insignificant role, he was still the assistant director on The Elusive Samurai, so there's a very high probability he'll become the general director in the near future :D, don't worry about that, just keep whining and talking ignorantly, I'm having a lot of fun :D




"Ninja Kamui was expected to be anime of the year after the first episode, because it was that good"

Yes, the first episode was very good, but in the following episodes the anime quality really turned into shit 😂

By the way, even the aesthetics of the first episode were bad :)


"would be Goshozono's style, then S2 and S3 had similar aesthetics, but that's not true"


Oh, my ignorant friend xD

There are two reasons why JJK's aesthetic style differs between seasons 2 and 3; firstly, the production schedule was terrible in season 2, forcing them to use a simplified style, which they didn't need to do in season 3 because the schedule was much better :), and secondly, the character designer from season 2 left and was replaced by Yosuke Yajime and Hiromi Niwa :)


"I don't"

Btw It's changing :) and the fact that it's changing disproves your thesis :D


"As I said, it's clear for everyone that you are projecting and that's why you can't read properly"

Considering that people are mostly against you, you can easily understand that they've realized you're ignorant :D



" I'm not talking about fans"

Dude, you don't realize this, but it shows how much more ignorant you are :D

Experienced people in the industry are also praising the episode Directors :) , so you've proven once again that you're ignorant :D

Bro, I advise you not to twist what you're saying and turn it into something else :D because you're just proving your ignorance even more anyway. If you have something to say, speak clearly :)



As I said, try to finish elementary school from scratch kiddo :D

Okay, I'll give you a chance. List all of your arguments so far. Every single one, if you can quote at least 10 VALID arguments, then I'll apologize.

A valid argument has 2 segments. The first one is the statement, e.g. "Goshozono's camera angles are good" and the second one is the proof, e.g. "In S3E4 at XX:YY there was a very uniquely handled conversation".
Unless you can do this, I'm right and you are lying again. This is fair "contest", because you've given "plenty" of arguments. :D


Oh, this is a really good logic. So because a 4 years old is going to learn to count, we should accept if he states that 2+2=5 in the present? xDDD

Because this is your logic. You think that if someone acquires a skill or knowledge in the future, we should trust them in the present.

And let's not talk about how you also assume that if someone becomes something that it automatically means that he's good at it. When you becomes a director, it might take years to acquire the necessary experience. Usually being a "first" director does not work out.


Not the directing, we were talking about the directing. The reason why the first episode was praised because everything worked, including the directing.
What fell apart is the animation, people only care about that. We were able to see that with both Solo Leveling and OPM S3.


Lol, yes...
Please define what aesthetic style means according to you. I want to laugh. :)


As I said, that proves my point and I've already explained why, and now you failed to refute me, therefore I'm right and you are wrong.


I don't know why you are lying. Even if we are looking at this thread in itself, it's still not true.
There are 14 neutral or irrelevant comment from directing perspective. There are 4 positive and 4 negative people that mentions directing at some point, including you and me as well.

But also, your previous argument was that we cannot rely on fans and you just did exactly that. So you contradicted your earlier argument, which also proves that you are projecting your lack of knowledge.

Lastly about this, the whole argument started from the fact that the majority of the Japanese fans also supports what I just said.


See, this is not a valid argument, because you made a statement without proof. Only kids do this, because this is something that's taught in high school.

And secondly, I asked you multiple times to start quoting these individuals, you failed to do it and you only managed to quote someone who's not even a director. So you lied like a kid. :D


Yes, I'm twisting what I was saying. I wasn't you who hallucinated words in my sentence like how you think I was referencing praises from fans. And even though it turned out that you were wrong, you don't even have the spine to admit that you lied.

Look, it does not look good on you. You lied in this comment at least 3 times. It's pathetic and everyone is laughing at you. :D
(I'm not joking, so far I received 3 PMs about how people argue with me because you couldn't provide a single argument. They just don't want to comment here because of your toxicity.)


You implicitly admitted in your comment that you failed to finish high school. Again, I'm not joking, you made mistakes in your arguments that high school grads wouldn't do. You are projecting and that's why you are copying when I call you kiddo. You are jealous of me because I have the knowledge that you also want.

@ktg

" 'Goshozono's camera angles are good' "

Dude, I think you haven't realized it, but I presented you with a similar argument before, and you cried and rejected it :D

Dude, first you refute the arguments I already wrote, because I already refuted yours; you only had one argument anyway, and that was about the episode that Gosso wasn't directing :D


"You think that if someone acquires a skill or knowledge in the future, we should trust them in the present"

Look, you still don't understand what you're reading :D, bro, just because I trust Yuusuke Kawakami doesn't mean I think all the other episode directors did a good job as General Director :)
I trust Kawakami because I saw the work he did in Elusive Samurai :)


"And let's not talk about how you also assume that if someone becomes something that it automatically means that he's good at it"

Bro, I wonder how you manage to contradict yourself so much :D. Do you ever read or understand your own sentences while you're writing xD

You're becoming more and more of a fool, you're amazing :D


"The reason why the first episode was praised because everything worked"

Btw, Ninja Kamui never stood out for its directing, it stood out entirely for its action :) and indeed, in the early episodes of Ninja Kamui, everything except the animation was average.


"people only care about that. We were able to see that with both Solo Leveling and OPM S3"

Actually, it's the opposite; people think they care about animation, but they don't, and Solo Leveling is the biggest proof of that :)


"Please define what aesthetic style means according to you"

My friend, there's no “in my opinion” about it :D

Dude, if you want to cry, you can cry somewhere else :D

Personally, I'd rather you cry more for me :)


"your previous argument was that we cannot rely on fans and you just did exactly that"

Dude, you really should go back to elementary school, I strongly advise you to :D


"the whole argument started from the fact that the majority of the Japanese fans also supports what I just said"


Absolutely, there are japan fans whining, "It's too directed, too creative, not a 1:1 adaptation," right :D

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My friend, you don't realize it, but what the Japanese say is more supported by what I say :D


"this is not a valid argument, because you made a statement without proof"

Dude, you really don't know anything 😆

Aren't you ashamed to ask for this, considering you claim to know so much about the industry :D


"you only managed to quote someone who's not even a director"

For example, Konosuke Uda praising Akiko Kudo's storyboard or Tetsuro Araki praising Yuki Kamiya's episode directing :)

take it kiddo :D


"I'm not joking, so far I received 3 PMs about how people argue with me"

Wow, so you found someone, or a group of people, as ignorant as yourself, huh :D

Well done 😆



As I said, try to finish primary school from scratch kiddo :D

Oh no, your lack of reading comprehension strikes again.
If you could read, you would have understood that you failed to present the factual part of the argument and that's why it's invalid what you said. I purposely used the same argument to highlight where you failed at presented an argument.
Sadly you can't read, so you didn't notice it.


What do you think the storyboard's purpose is if an episode director can freely change it? You think the storyboard doesn't have camera angles? What do you think they are drawing?
The camera angles came from the storyboard and not from the directing style and the storyboard was done by Goshozono.

So what is your next lie, kiddo?


You just admitted that you don't have a valid argument even about Kawakami, because your argument is not fact based but it's about your feelings towards Kawakami.
Thanks, that was my point, you lied.


Look, kiddo, if I ever contradicted myself at any point, you would have pointed it out because you want to act smart, you want praise from your imaginary friends in your head, but you didn't, because I didn't contradict myself.

That's why the best you could do is present a new fallacy. GJ


You mean the early episodes where we had almost no action? LOL.
You managed to admit that you haven't watched it. :DDDD

First episode had around 2 minutes actions and the next 3 episodes had around 1 minute action per episode. No, no one was interested in the action, the directing was exceptional.

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So the show with one of the best animation that people actually cared about? This is what a contradiction is. Learn from it.


You know that you are the only one who's crying, right? :DDD

Dude, you couldn't mention A SINGLE valid argument, not even one. This is just pathetic. xDDD


I've never met anyone who was as delusional as you. That's impressive. No, if someone proves you wrong like many people did already, then they are not supporting what you are saying.


Lol, you are not very smart, are you? xDDD
So, if someone actually can think, then they would realize that the valid part is relevant because the focus of the praise is relevant.


See, this is why it was important and this is why it was relevant.
Firstly, which is the smaller issue, we can see that you were lying. You presented it as a SOOO common thing, but you failed to mention 2 examples, you had to use a storyboard artist, which wasn't your point. You were specifically talking about episode directors.
Secondly, it's relevant because the praise is different when the artist is working under him, because they are not independent. Similarly if I praise my best friend's work, then it's different when an independent source says that my friend is good at his job.

So, you actually failed to present a single valid example. This tells us everything about your lies. :DDDD


Again, projecting as a kid. You can hardly speak English, you cannot even use the most basic functionalities of this website, but you claim to be a smart person. XDDDDD