| Because the criticism pretty much only amounts to "This is boring now" most of the time and then, why even post about it? What reaction do you expect? I mean it's fair to feel that way, but most of these posts just feel like someone is trying to get some attention for posting a contrarian opinion. Because most people obviously still like the second season a lot. I certainly have some animes where I felt sort of a detachement from it in the sense that other people praise it to high heaven and I just don't see it, but why make some half assed post about it? |
| https://www.honeyfeed.fm/u/34774/novels Why must the products of man trouble me so? |
| First of all, the second season is not the best anime of all time. Secondly, are you still gonna complain about it instead of just dropping it and moving on? Seems like you still don't understand the point of the series. It's literally just chilling and taking time while appreciating things after the big bad is defeated. |
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Suprgamr123 said: uselessDM said: Because the criticism pretty much only amounts to "This is boring now" most of the time and then, why even post about it? What reaction do you expect? I mean it's fair to feel that way, but most of these posts just feel like someone is trying to get some attention for posting a contrarian opinion. Because most people obviously still like the second season a lot. I certainly have some animes where I felt sort of a detachement from it in the sense that other people praise it to high heaven and I just don't see it, but why make some half assed post about it? yeah, most of the posts nowadays are pretty much like that, but I've never seen actually valid criticism towards this show be accepted either. Most of the time, you'll just see fans attack ad hominen or strawman. To be fair, I personally don't think that Frieren is perfect by any means. I thought that the whole process of getting Ferns certificate went on way too long or that the romance between Fern and Stark feels pretty forced, but to me it seems most people just don't even try to think about why they might dislike or expect it to be explained to them. Or just have their opinion validated. And that just rubs me the wrong way. Although I don't think I ever attacked someone because of it, but it still annoys me when I see these kinds of posts. |
| https://www.honeyfeed.fm/u/34774/novels Why must the products of man trouble me so? |
| Because most of those disappointed people rant disrespectfully. |
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| Don't expect to be taken seriously after saying that Frieren is an "isekai" and unironically using the word "mid" to describe something. |
PiromyslFeb 15, 12:21 PM
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| You just got your previous post deleted by mods and you make a new one after few hours to complain? Someone's begging for a ban. fantaghost said: Such a drama queen. Never seen Re:zero, AOT or Mushoku threads when it was airing? Mushoku in particular with spicy topics was something else. No comparison.I have never seen so much hatred and animosity from a fanbase before than the Frieren community. fantaghost said: Try not to use "mid garbage" when pretending to be all innocent and honest little boy, and odds are you won't be "dogpiled on by emotional fans." You're free to think the show is mid garbage btw. But use common sense. People who enjoy something, usually don't appreciate party-poopers like you telling them the show they enjoy is garbage. Like I said, common sense.if you even suggest that Frieren season 2 is not the best anime of all time, you get dogpiled on by emotional fans. fantaghost said: So tell me what kind of answer do you expect to hear after saying you don't even watch the show and skip 90% of episode? Have you lost your marbles? What criticism are you talking about if you can't even watch a full episode? Usually people hate-watch at 2x speed, but to skip 90% is new level of stupid. If things are that bad, you should definitely leave.Even the "nicest" replies never address honest criticisms and just say "stop watching then" or "go watch something else" or "you don't have to watch it". "stop watching then" or "go watch something else". These are the most basic yet useful advices you can get! But apparently you're a special case. You should seek professional help at this point since you're doing something that damages your psyche, but you don't know how to stop! fantaghost said: How are you still not sure? You literally said you only watched 2-3 minutes of the entire episode! Season is stacked. Go watch something else. Stop self-torture. Seek help.Not sure if I will even bother to finish this season |
| I do kind of understand the sentiment you're having. I feel like this season lacks any meaningful obstacles or diversions for the characters in their journey. In season one, there were plenty of diversions Frieren's party took that were meaningful and didn't feel like something you could just skip and not lose out on anything important, like character development or new characters. Getting Stark and Fern in the party, meeting the demon envoys in that one city, encountering Sein, and participating in the first-class mage exam, in which we first saw all these new characters who'll most likely appear again in the future. These diversions gave a sense of progress in the story. Frieren's party had to go through them to progress on their journey. Not only that, but all of these arcs, and probably a couple more that I missed, took more than two episodes to conclude. However, Season 2 doesn't really have any of this (at least in the first 5 episodes). Every episode consists of Frieren going to a new place, receiving a task, having a 5-minute flashback, and then completing the task before 10 minutes have passed, and then rinse and repeat. Season 1 does have a lot of episodes like this, but they were balanced. For every 3 or 4 small episodes, you get a full 2+ episode arc. Still, this doesn't mean I don't like this season; in fact, I really enjoy it. I personally love these small stories and wouldn't mind if the entire season consisted of them. But I also understand that there's a sizable chunk of people who wouldn't want that. I personally love these small stories and wouldn't mind if the entire season consisted of them. But I also understand that there's a sizable chunk of people who wouldn't want that. |
| Frieren ended up getting the full metal crowd on board so it was inevitable. They will never admit its just a boring run of the mill fantasy anime with one dimensional characters that tricked everyone into thinking its something else with its admittedly interesting hook |
nhc9Feb 15, 12:38 PM
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| Never seen so much hatred from a community? bro completely forgot about the latest season of One Punch Man already? 😂 |
| Season 1 hit that rare sweet spot: strong production, melancholy vibe, reasonable pacing, and just enough philosophical flavor to make people feel like they were watching something “elevated.” It became the comfort blanket anime for a lot of viewers. So when Season 2 shifts tone, pacing, or focus even slightly, reasonable criticism feels (to some fans) like you’re kicking their blanket away. When a series gets labeled “masterpiece” or “best of all time” early on, it builds this weird defensive bubble. So instead of discussing flaws, the community starts protecting the narrative. Instead of replies like, “I see your point but I think the slower pacing builds tension,” you get classics like “stop watching,” “go watch something else,” or “you just don’t get it.” Which is basically the internet equivalent of plugging your ears and yelling. Though, this isn’t unique just to Frieren. It happens every time an anime becomes the current "best of all time". 15 years ago it was a different title. 5 years ago it was something else. The cycle repeats. You’re just noticing it more because you’re on the receiving end this time. |
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Reply to nhc9
Frieren ended up getting the full metal crowd on board so it was inevitable. They will never admit its just a boring run of the mill fantasy anime with one dimensional characters that tricked everyone into thinking its something else with its admittedly interesting hook
nhc9 said: Are you ok buddy? Why should people admit something that isn't true for them? X being boring is subjective. Are you seriously incapable of understanding people have different tastes and what's boring for you may not be boring for them?They will never admit its just a boring run of the mill fantasy anime |
| Unless you can explain why the symbolism in Frieren is “not that deep” or “overexaggerated” compared to other adventure anime that supposedly require higher-order thinking, your opinion is irrelevant. The only criticisms of Frieren I consider valid are from people who genuinely love series like Kino no Tabi and/or Yuru Camp. |
| It's because you're boring, uninspired trolls. If someone's made a thread with negative feedback about the series & you want to vent too? Keep it to one thread. This is really easy fandom etiquette. Making a bunch of threads knowing you're in the minority is intentionally obnoxious at best. |
assignedgengarFeb 15, 3:55 PM
| cranky because your taste sucks, aren't you? |
| "Will nobody think of the poor ragebaiters with barely any critic nor argumentative skills? We are the real victims I tell you!!" To put it in a few words, it's less about hate for "people disappointed with this season" and more about these people having terrible reasons to find it disappointing when they apparently adored season 1 (which took just as long with the very same storytelling beats, if not a bit longer, to even get to its proper first multiple episode mini arc with Aura, much like this season is getting there with Divine Revolte next episode). Anyone that calls this out are apparently suddenly being toxic towards them, never the opposite, such is the privilege of a vocal minority, or so they portray themselves as (not saying that aren't fanboys for any popular anime ever that are not above them in those same terms, but... they are, in this case, likewise, a vocal minority too). -------------------------------------- But, if I were to put it in many more words, and complement what @Seth7 said above: Like, really now? As if this isn't the case for this sort of "sheep's clothing" from these very same posters, while they try their very best to demerit in bad faith a perfectly fine follow up that really isn't much different from the content that made the series popular from the get-go in the first place. Despite of course, their claims of it being otherwise. There's a reason why a bunch of these posts got either deleted or locked, some tried necro-ing several months old threads from even before the anime started airing with the sole intent of making numbers towards a negative impression that not many really have with this anime (unless they are very bothered with the high score for some reason. in MAL of all places). You think nobody is aware of what you people are trying to pull, like it isn't something that is done with popular high rated anime in every season since the site's inception? You aren't really fooling anyone, masquerading that sort of attitude with shallow claims of quality decay when comparing it to Season 1. It would be more believable if you actually just disliked Season 1 as well, but I'd say the score for it enduring for as long as it did should tell how much people find positives about the series versus negatives, I guess that would be too difficult for you. Season 1's content just happens to cover 28 episodes worth of content and a major arc (plus the first episodes establishing the premise), if you want to be fair, try comparing the content from Aura to just before the First Class Exam, and this would be the equivalent of about the same story beats and build up this season has just before it reaches the next big arc (Golden Land). So of course "people will like season 1 better than season 2", it's much longer, and covers much more ground. The writing quality is about the same (if anything, it's one of the more known qualities of the manga, just how consistent it is even in its build up traveling arcs). Most of the complains about this season would be non-existent if it just so happened to cover a similar amount of episodes as the previous season. It's not about the content itself, and more so about it not covering the fan favorite arc in one go (thus meaning we are mostly getting a pretty solid calm before the storm, with an arc similar to Aura's in quality, and no content people would call a masterpiece necessarily). ---------------------------------------- Well, that's as far as I will go, not to bump ragebait into relevance any further. Now you are just making it about you being marginalized, so it's a matter of time before this thread also gets locked (since it's absolutely irrelevant towards the content of the anime itself, it's just you ranting about what you think people are wronging you for). Because you are all so brave for making multiple unsubstantial negative threads about the big bad popular anime a lot of people love, and about how its fans are doing you dirty, how oppressive of them not to think like you. |
DanpmssFeb 15, 1:56 PM
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Reply to _Mazino
Season 1 hit that rare sweet spot: strong production, melancholy vibe, reasonable pacing, and just enough philosophical flavor to make people feel like they were watching something “elevated.” It became the comfort blanket anime for a lot of viewers. So when Season 2 shifts tone, pacing, or focus even slightly, reasonable criticism feels (to some fans) like you’re kicking their blanket away. When a series gets labeled “masterpiece” or “best of all time” early on, it builds this weird defensive bubble.
So instead of discussing flaws, the community starts protecting the narrative. Instead of replies like, “I see your point but I think the slower pacing builds tension,” you get classics like “stop watching,” “go watch something else,” or “you just don’t get it.” Which is basically the internet equivalent of plugging your ears and yelling. Though, this isn’t unique just to Frieren. It happens every time an anime becomes the current "best of all time". 15 years ago it was a different title. 5 years ago it was something else. The cycle repeats.
You’re just noticing it more because you’re on the receiving end this time.
So instead of discussing flaws, the community starts protecting the narrative. Instead of replies like, “I see your point but I think the slower pacing builds tension,” you get classics like “stop watching,” “go watch something else,” or “you just don’t get it.” Which is basically the internet equivalent of plugging your ears and yelling. Though, this isn’t unique just to Frieren. It happens every time an anime becomes the current "best of all time". 15 years ago it was a different title. 5 years ago it was something else. The cycle repeats.
You’re just noticing it more because you’re on the receiving end this time.
_Mazino said: Well, sometimes simple and classic answer is all you need. If you find a show boring, watch something that isn't boring. It's not rocket science.Instead of replies like, “I see your point but I think the slower pacing builds tension,” you get classics like “stop watching,” I can hardly remember many threads on MAL where OP was content with replies like the one in your example. You know why? Because people who make such threads, don't really give a F about "bland", "Chat-GPT-like" polite and honest/neutral answers. Odds are, these people made a thread in bad faith and did it simply to seek validation or bait people. Quite often wording is giving their intentions away. Previous thread made by this guy, for instance, was deleted by mods recently. The guy said he watched only 2-3 minutes of the entire episode and skipped the rest since it was that boring, while the whole season has been mid garbage so far. Why would a fanbase not provide the gentlemen with well deserved, polite and serious answers? How about now? Several people gave honest and calm statements. Are you sure OP will care to even read? Much older thread of his was edited by mods since the guy thought it was a good idea to ask "Is Fern retarded?" in the title, while calling the show "Isekai". It's almost like they forgot to put the mask on to hide their true intentions. The rest of what you say is reasonable, sure, but if you're going to complain about toxic fans (which obviously do exist and can attack truly honest people), you should also mention abundance of trolls and dishonest people who make downright stupid or provocative threads purely to garner attention. It happens more often than not. Not just on MAL but on Internet in general. As a 15 year veteran, you should know this very well. |
| Because Frieren fans can't handle criticism, if you don't like something from the series then you're wrong and must be ostracized. |
Ionliosite2 said: Because Frieren fans can't handle criticism, if you don't like something from the series then you're wrong and must be ostracized. I mean, what do people expect to hear, when their complaints and criticism is just "this is boring", "where is the action?", "why is this so slow?" and on top of that you have them call it "mid garbage isekai" like the OP who then cries in another thread about the fanbase being "toxic". |
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fantaghost said: Not sure if I will even bother to finish this season, which maybe is what the fanbase wants. That's just as (or even more) immature as the people saying "stop watching then" or "go watch something else". If you're going to be swayed one way by people not agreeing with you on the internet, that's a you problem. Also, if you're not enjoying something, it is very valid for the advice to be "stop watching", I'll add: stop watching, leave a review and the score you think the show deserves and move on. Why go out of your way to make a post with short insults? Makes me think you don't want a real conversation, you want reactions from people, you just didn't get the ones you were hoping for I guess. |
Kreikka95Feb 15, 2:44 PM
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Reply to MightyHawk
I do kind of understand the sentiment you're having.
I feel like this season lacks any meaningful obstacles or diversions for the characters in their journey.
In season one, there were plenty of diversions Frieren's party took that were meaningful and didn't feel like something you could just skip and not lose out on anything important, like character development or new characters.
Getting Stark and Fern in the party, meeting the demon envoys in that one city, encountering Sein, and participating in the first-class mage exam, in which we first saw all these new characters who'll most likely appear again in the future.
These diversions gave a sense of progress in the story. Frieren's party had to go through them to progress on their journey.
Not only that, but all of these arcs, and probably a couple more that I missed, took more than two episodes to conclude.
However, Season 2 doesn't really have any of this (at least in the first 5 episodes). Every episode consists of Frieren going to a new place, receiving a task, having a 5-minute flashback, and then completing the task before 10 minutes have passed, and then rinse and repeat.
Season 1 does have a lot of episodes like this, but they were balanced. For every 3 or 4 small episodes, you get a full 2+ episode arc.
Still, this doesn't mean I don't like this season; in fact, I really enjoy it.
I personally love these small stories and wouldn't mind if the entire season consisted of them. But I also understand that there's a sizable chunk of people who wouldn't want that.
I personally love these small stories and wouldn't mind if the entire season consisted of them. But I also understand that there's a sizable chunk of people who wouldn't want that.
I feel like this season lacks any meaningful obstacles or diversions for the characters in their journey.
In season one, there were plenty of diversions Frieren's party took that were meaningful and didn't feel like something you could just skip and not lose out on anything important, like character development or new characters.
Getting Stark and Fern in the party, meeting the demon envoys in that one city, encountering Sein, and participating in the first-class mage exam, in which we first saw all these new characters who'll most likely appear again in the future.
These diversions gave a sense of progress in the story. Frieren's party had to go through them to progress on their journey.
Not only that, but all of these arcs, and probably a couple more that I missed, took more than two episodes to conclude.
However, Season 2 doesn't really have any of this (at least in the first 5 episodes). Every episode consists of Frieren going to a new place, receiving a task, having a 5-minute flashback, and then completing the task before 10 minutes have passed, and then rinse and repeat.
Season 1 does have a lot of episodes like this, but they were balanced. For every 3 or 4 small episodes, you get a full 2+ episode arc.
Still, this doesn't mean I don't like this season; in fact, I really enjoy it.
I personally love these small stories and wouldn't mind if the entire season consisted of them. But I also understand that there's a sizable chunk of people who wouldn't want that.
I personally love these small stories and wouldn't mind if the entire season consisted of them. But I also understand that there's a sizable chunk of people who wouldn't want that.
| @MightyHawk I agree with all of this. Very valid criticisms without having to minimize this season to "boring" or "mid garbage". OP is wondering why people give "rude" responses to statements that don't lead to a conversation or debate, what do people calling something "garbage" or "boring", without arguments, expect? Anyway, I want to say that I do feel like this season lost some of the charm of the first one, and you explained very well what I couldn't put into words. I'll add that I've noticed a drop in the quality of the animation; not a huge drop, but noticeable for us who enjoy this art form. With all this said, I also continue to enjoy this season for what it continues to be: a nice slow-paced story with a clear defined goal, one that will clearly take time, with warm-feel good moments. An interesting slice of life sprinkled with some action and adventure here and there. Perfect to distract the mind in this turbulent times. |
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LordJehZeus said: I couldn't care less about what other people think and you definitely shouldn't stop watching just because of the toxic "not a real fan" base. From what I notice, most anime fans only like visual effects and flashy fights, they couldn't care less about the actual story (which is what I love the most) and Frieren is a beautiful story don't let the "fans" stop you from watching something you love Haye to break it to you, but the OP is precisely a toxic person himself. He also was shitting on Frieren in earlier posts (which were deleted by mods ;d) saying how it is a "mid garbage isekai" and was complaining that S2 didn't have the action or the battle scenes like in S1 so it's boring to him now. Now he acts the victim, crying how the fanbase is being the toxic one to him. |
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| Almost every major fandom is toxic. You just learned that the hard way. The MHA fandom constantly persecutes the author and has sick ships, the JJK fandom can't read, the SNK fandom, I don't have to say, the Chainsaw Man fandom pretends to be some kind of intellectual elite, the Frieren fandom is becoming one of the most condescending fandom. Once, like under the Demon Slayer episode 19, I think, I wrote that there was nothing to be moved by, that the music ruined the scene for me, and I'd rather not write what others wrote. They went ballistic. XD Also, the cinematic battle between DS and CSM was hilarious, pathetic, but quite funny. Then they got other fandoms involved. The Jojo and Gintama fandoms are probably the best and most chill fandoms. Especially the Jojo So yes, if you want to have peace and not be treated like a child by some people here like "when you grow up you'll understand, go watch tik tok" then it's better to leave the forum |
The general fan audience is likely younger so the filter tends to be less devoloped. |
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| I'm not participating in your degredation kink, OP. |
| cranky because your taste sucks, aren't you? |
Jollyne7 said: Hah, are you going to parrot this in every thread regardless of context? The thread is made by the same guy who said he watched 3minutes of episode and skipped the rest; he also called the season mid-garbage. Not to mention his other thread started with "Is Fern retarded?" in the title. So yeah, good job vouching for a dishonest person using alt account. But who knows? For the likes of you he may be a totally legit brave hero and a victim.Frieren fandom is becoming one of the most condescending fandom |
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