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Jan 29, 2013 2:39 AM

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Sue?..

Jan 29, 2013 5:33 AM

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Damn this chapter was so great. Seeing Sue blush like that was so cute!! And this ghost that Hato imagined, i really like her eyes :) (and that perky breast outline was so so great :D )

Btw. The anime is coming. I can't wait.

Jan 29, 2013 6:10 AM

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Hato getting a chance to draw with Ogiue, nice!

Hato's ghost is still there? And Sue loves him?

Misiakk said:
Btw. The anime is coming. I can't wait.

Yay @ the announcement.

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Jan 29, 2013 11:17 AM

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tsubasalover said:

Hato's ghost is still there? And Sue loves him?

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Not him but Madarame, duhuhu...

Jan 29, 2013 5:03 PM

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Quit his job so he could be a loser? What the hell? Couldn't the author think of something better to bring Mada back to the story so he can turn the manga into a harem love comedy?

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Jan 29, 2013 5:55 PM

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I'm sure there will be several different interpretations/opinions on why Madarame quit his job (or as he put it "Wanted to try being a loser") but to me, I think its cuz he only took the job just to stay relatively close to the Genshiken (and quite possibly to Saki). Since he finally let go of Saki, (plus the fact that I'm sure he didn't care really for the job) he is struggling to find what exactly he wants to do or where he will go from here and would rather spend that time in the comforts of the Genshiken room rather than spending (or wasting) more time doing a mundane job. The reason for him stating he "wanted to try being a loser" was possibly him being hard on himself being a college graduate with no real idea what he wants (or wanted) to do with his life. So basically, i think Madarame is trying to find himself.
What I would love to see happen maybe is a sudden cameo/return of the old club chairman (out of the blue like he always used to pop up) to possibly give Madarame some advice (and maybe a warning NOT to spend so many years attached to the Genshiken like he once was...)

Jan 29, 2013 7:27 PM

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So another set up for a potential relationship triangle ... yet, has Madarame really let go of a possible SakixMada ending? Perhaps he wants to convince himself of that. Perhaps it's easier for him to wallow in whatever he is going through without a job, than it was with one. That being said, BakaBoy makes a good point in that Madarame did not seem all that thrilled about his job. Note he didn't say career. He needs to find something that he can be passionate about that he can also make a living at. Granter the majority of people never achieve that ... but this is fiction, and we can hope for better things for the fictional characters we are fans of.
So MadaxSue? So the kiss was, more than something innocent?

Jan 30, 2013 1:46 AM

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I got a question, is this manga Spotted Flower is set in alternate universe, where Saki is pregnant with Madarame?

Jan 30, 2013 6:21 AM

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Misiakk said:
I got a question, is this manga Spotted Flower is set in alternate universe, where Saki is pregnant with Madarame?

Not alternative universe but future!

Jan 30, 2013 6:29 AM

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S-Sue...? Why? o_o

Jan 30, 2013 6:57 AM

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povsuduvolosy said:

Misiakk said:
I got a question, is this manga Spotted Flower is set in alternate universe, where Saki is pregnant with Madarame?

Not alternative universe but future!

It's clearly an alternate universe. To think that's it's part of the future is setting yourself up for some major disappointment when this manga ends and she's still happily in love with Kousaka.

It's strange, I thought this weird ship would pretty much die once Saki last rejected him, but I guess hopes won't completely be dashed until the manga ends. There's practically no realistic way for Saki and Madarame to end up together, and such a development would diminish a significant portion of Madarame's growth as a character.

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Jan 30, 2013 8:28 AM

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I would like it to be future, because Kousaka is rather lame character, who only look at himself imo. And it's pretty far in future because in Spotted Flower Ohno already got second kid.

Jan 30, 2013 6:26 PM

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I'm pretty sure Spotted Flower is its own world/universe. Kio Shimoku is prolly just gonna run with the whole "this COULD be an alternative future of Genshiken characters" just cuz that would guarantee more readers lol. Besides, is it me, or does the pregnant wife in it look more like Ogiue than Saki? Also, if the guy REALLY was supposed to be Madarame, have we ever seen his "fang" popping out of his mouth in any of Spotted Flower? lol
ANYWAYS, that all aside, I actually really like Spotted Flower even more than the new Genshiken manga, but that's just me.

Feb 4, 2013 11:35 AM

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Woah… why did Sue react like that? She's never acted like that before. Was it because she hasn't seen Madarame ever since she kissed him? And if she is also starting to be in love with him are Hato and Sue going to compete for Madarame????

Feb 16, 2013 3:40 PM

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Well, good point, bakaboy.

But the way he's centering the story around Madarame insteado of the new characters is kinda strange. And evne though he might pull it off and end up doing something very good, the fact that he created an harem for Mada, the audience surrogate still bothers me.

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Feb 18, 2013 3:17 AM

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Damn, they should release the English volumes of this new continuation already! I'd buy them solely for the fact that Sue's blushing face was in there... O_o Always loved her character, and she's finally getting some serious attention it seems ^^
But overall another great chapter!

Jul 12, 2013 6:43 PM

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gaiusbaltar24 said:

povsuduvolosy said:

Misiakk said:
I got a question, is this manga Spotted Flower is set in alternate universe, where Saki is pregnant with Madarame?

Not alternative universe but future!

It's most likely an alternate universe, but it's too vague to say yet I think. If it was a true alternate, why not just reveal the names instead of teasing the audience? Although I agree that Genshiken may not end with that pairing, I don't think it is as impossible as some think it is. First, the most realistic ending is that Saki just throws in the towel and gives up on *all* otakus. Her actually staying with Kousaka forever is the least "realistic" in my opinion, though the manga may very well end that way one way or another.

If her only two choices were Kousaka or Madarame, the latter is her most sensible choice. In a weird way, Saki is the one person in the manga/anime who is most living in a dream world. Here is why:

1. If Madarame is from planet Otaku, Kousaka *IS* planet Otaku. Someone proclaiming to dislike otaku culture and marrying Kousaka would be like someone saying they hate religion and marrying a priest! At least Madarame is just a layman in comparison to Kousaka. Can she really stay happy being with someone for life when she despises the very culture he embodies? Madarame has shown he is willing to go half-way, changing his otaku-ness at least a little bit while Kousaku shows no intention to budge (so far). Which will be a healthier relationship? How can you build a loving relationship when you claim to hate or merely tolerate the very essence of a person's identity?

2.After 4 years of a being in a relationship, Kousaka shows little or no signs of building a shared future with Saki, in fact he does what he wants with impunity--choosing a controversial job without discussing their future together, yet she folds and takes it. This is not a sign of a healthy relationship. It's not wrong for Kousaka to pursue his dreams but let's say his dream was to be a live action porno producer, would it be OK to just do it without working it out with your SO?

3. Kousaka seems to be have superhuman energy so he may be able to be an otaku and husband/father without compromising either. This is not realistic for most people. Once one enters marriage, there is at least an implied agreement that you are willing to sacrifice for your family. Sacrifice may mean at some point you are willing to give up something during a moment of crisis, your very own self for your family. Has Kousaka shown any willingness to give up on otaku things for a family? I am a married anime fanboy myself, so I try to enjoy anime as much as I can, but I know I can't maintain the level of otaku culture I'd want with a partner who is simply not interested in it. My wife is mostly neutral, but any extra spending on such things can cause strife, even if she doesn't say so verbally. We moved and I sold some of my computer gear in order to get our kids into a better school district. Will Kousaka be willing to make sacrifices like that? With his skills, he may be able to get away with it, but it seems like at some point there may be a crisis moment where Saki will have to ask him upfront what his priorities are. People who aren't willing to make that commitment are better off not getting married, or they regret it later.

4.Madarama and Saki actually have chemistry together. This came as a shock to me too, especially how slowly it built up. To me, Madarame was just a comic foil and Saki an annoying pest, but over time, their interactions had a real human, natural quality to it. I know I am biased, but in comparison, her interactions with Kousaka always felt forced, like she was just trying real hard to be with him while he kind of didn't really give a damn either way. The moment where I thought Saki would finally get the lightbulb and dump Kousaka was during the summer Comic-Fest where he is waving bye bye--like an unreachable alien returning to his homeworld of Planet Otaku. I took it as a big hint that Saki will forever be chasing after him while he happily waves bye bye on the way to his next comic book score. In contrast, despite her bickering, there was a real warmth between Madarame and Saki--a true friendship that could bloom into something more if she was willing to give up on her farce of a relationship with pretty boy.

Conclusion, Kousaka is Saki's boy-toy for when she wants to have fun and not worry about the future, but when or if she gets the urge to make a nest--Madarame is the better choice.

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Aug 17, 2013 11:46 AM

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I odn't get it... Why is Kousaka with Saki? Why is he so one dimensional? Is he gay? He sure appear so, but is definitely not.

None of his strangeness is explains, what, is he trying to be the IRL Kowaru Nagisa?

Madarame is certainly more interesting than most characters. LOL, the main character shift is quite... unique.

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Aug 2, 2017 11:48 PM

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You must be Jonathan Joestar! xD

Sue is.. blushing?
What kind of dream is this?

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Sep 25, 2018 12:17 AM

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MadaXSue !!
Sue is the best girl by far in the show !

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