| Is it just because she's originally a side character? Yes, she's persistent towards Hikari but how's that a bad thing? All the main characters are just as adamant not to change as Miuna yet they don't get any hate? If anything I find how she handled the fact that Hikari's still hung up on Manaka as very matured. She didn't throw a fit or become depressed and instead still support Hikari however she can yet some people think she's annoying while excusing Sayu's behavior. Compare that to Manaka who's a crybaby, indecisive, and dense. Every time she said "Hii-kun" I always wanted to punch the screen. A 14 years-old Miuna is FAR more mature than the 14 years-old Manaka. I'm fine with anyone ending with whoever (this is Mari Okada's works after all, guessing is futile). I'm just irritated by the blind hate just because she's "interfering" with Manaka x Hikari pair. |
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| HikariXMiuna or gtfo.. #fuckthehaters #yolo #swag |
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| This was the point I made in the episode 17 thread. According to the answers I received, it's because she's a girl and she's interfering with Hikari/Manaka who many people (apparently especially fangirls) ship, and she gets too much screen time whist not being as interesting as she was before the time skip. That I can kind of understand. The only real answer I got as to why the others (namely Kaname) don't get similar hate for basically doing the same thing, is because he's apparently cute whilst doing it, and they ship Kaname/Chisaki so they couldn't possibly hate him for it. Not the answers I was hoping for, but they were what I was expecting. |
Madara31 said: This was the point I made in the episode 17 thread. According to the answers I received, it's because she's a girl and she's interfering with Hikari/Manaka who many people (apparently especially fangirls) ship, and she gets too much screen time whist not being as interesting as she was before the time skip. That I can kind of understand. The only real answer I got as to why the others (namely Kaname) don't get similar hate for basically doing the same thing, is because he's apparently cute whilst doing it, and they ship Kaname/Chisaki so they couldn't possibly hate him for it. Not the answers I was hoping for, but they were what I was expecting. Lame reasons is all I can say. |
MoeGodJan 31, 2014 3:07 AM
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| Idk why anyone in this series would get any hate. It's all stupid. Miuna is my favorite female character by the way :) |
| "Relying on someone, helping each other out, and supporting each other. Most would say that's the right thing to do. However, that's just idealistic. In reality, someone always gets the short end of the stick" http://p1.i.ntere.st/3b9596c6911c1c6844478fe7ace4e887_480.jpg |
| I don't hate Miuna. Maybe because people are jealous that Miuna is intruding into Hikari x Manaka ship. |
- I've always... always been watching you... This whole time... Because you were there... That's why I was able to try hard. So you could have some balance! So you wouldn't treat me like a kid! So you would see me as an actual girl! Even while you were gone... You were right here! You were right here in my heart! |
| I don't hate her, but I dislike how authors make her... I liked her when she was just normal girl, and now she: have Ena, she is first child who have ena from marriage surface/sea parents, she can heard that sound, she is first person from surface who visit undersea village... Eh, give her God powers and make her more special... -.- I don't look at Miuna as threat for Hikari/Manaka ship. Before time skip I wanted to see Hikari/Miuna, but when he think about all these moments with Manaka, it will be too forced if we now start to think about Miuna in romantic light... -.- |
| She's boring and looks like a textbook Mary Sue with unjustified focus on her dull drama. She was fine as side character, but Hikari's far better narrator. |
Thess said: She's boring and looks like a textbook Mary Sue with unjustified focus on her dull drama. She was fine as side character, but Hikari's far better narrator. If she's Mary Sue then Hikari would be all over her already. If she's Mary Sue, she wouldn't be upset (twice) and hide at that fishery. LittleStar said: I don't hate her, but I dislike how authors make her... I liked her when she was just normal girl, and now she: have Ena, she is first child who have ena from marriage surface/sea parents, she can heard that sound, she is first person from surface who visit undersea village... Eh, give her God powers and make her more special... -.- Hmm Kaname can also hear that sound. We don't even know what that sound is yet or why some people are more sensitive to it than others. Ena... well, it's not unbelievable that a half-breed like her could awaken her ena. She may be the first case in which her ena was forced to awaken because of life-threatening situation. Obviously the half-breeds in the past won't even consider trying to breath inside the sea since they've been told they don't have ena. |
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| Yeah, Kaname could hear that sound, too... but not good, second time he couldn't hear it, but there is Miuna who can heard it good first time and second... I don't thought about this... I understand she can have Ena, since her mom is from Sea... I just pissed that she can't be normal girl and have important role, she must awake her Ena to make her more special than rest of characters... This is like... When supporting character is in love with MC, then "must be special" because normal girl don't have a chance to be with MC... -.- |
| She is better than manaka |
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jiraiya_sensei said: If she's Mary Sue then Hikari would be all over her already. If she's Mary Sue, she wouldn't be upset (twice) and hide at that fishery. I said she LOOKS like one and she's growing to be one. Suddenly grow up and beautiful with oh so special powers unheard of before her and the focus of attention while she used to be a side character, usurping the place of the protagonist for shipping purpose? If this was a fanfic, the flames would roll against Miuna portrayal. I don't actually hate her, but she's likely my least favorite of the kids. She's just boring. Pity because I used to really like her. |
Thess said: I said she LOOKS like one and she's growing to be one. Suddenly grow up and beautiful with oh so special powers unheard of before her and the focus of attention while she used to be a side character, usurping the place of the protagonist for shipping purpose? If this was a fanfic, the flames would roll against Miuna portrayal. I don't actually hate her, but she's likely my least favorite of the kids. She's just boring. Pity because I used to really like her. Hmm I think she was already drawn very pretty even as a child plus her birth-mother was quite the knockout too. She's even prettier than Akari so I don't think it's weird if Miuna grows up to be very beautiful. Also rather than special powers, it's more like her ena was forcefully awaken due to life-threatening situation. The scientists don't know everything about the sea people so even though they theorized that half-blood children lost their ena, it's more like the ena lied dormant because they were born inland and don't need it (my theory anyway). I'm betting Tsumugu's gonna awaken his too and if he does, are you going to start hating on him too because of his "special power"? All those "Mary Sue" characteristics (being beautiful, having ena) are really not her fault, the foundation was well-established so it's not like she got it out of thin air. I also think people need to accept the fact that she's the main heroine on the 2nd part. Even MAL has already listed her as a main character. If Manaka stays dead, she'll be the one who helps Hikari get over her death. Even now she's the one supporting Hikari the most, not Chisaki, not Tsumugu, not even his sister so at least she's doing something useful unlike some characters. |
MoeGodJan 31, 2014 9:42 AM
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| I didn't like Manaka that much either, and I actually used to like Miuna- but the now Miuna seems too perfect, not just because of her appearance and how she has Ena (though this is a big part of her "perfectness"), but also how everything is always centered around her; how everything would be alright for her, and because of her. (like how Akari was in a breakdown, and it was Miuna that cheer her up, not even her husband can cheer her up at that time) Manaka was somewhat like that too- even Kaname said that she was "the center of their group". But at least Manaka shows some flaw about her character. Even though it's annoying, but Manaka's crybaby, indecisive, and dense characters was her flaws, while Miuna is portrayed as very mature and strong. Now Miuna also have ena. I actually think Tsumugu could have it too, even if it's unlikely (since after all these time no other person from the land was discovered with an ena, this case must be very special), but even if he does it will never be as special as when Miuna get it since she was the first person who got it. Also, Miuna is already more special than Tsumugu in the first place being the new main character. |
| Miuna is the best girl in this series , lol .-. |
| She's a bit whiny, but I still love her tho. |
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| She's a bored character. I don't hate her, and I don't care how much she loves Hikari, but sometimes it seems kinda annoying. I liked her when she was a little girl. |
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| I like Miuna before the time skip. Cause i find her cute with Hikari, but i want Hikari and Manaka. Anyway, the last few episodes with Miuna were kinda boring, i mean the drama between her and Sayu, i kinda find it forced. While with Hikari's heartbreak i always get drawn. |
| Nowadays I don't read the forum, but i saw more Manaka-hater than Miuna-hater ^^" So many things changed in the forums too, not just in the anime XD I prefer Hikari x Manaka, but I really like Miuna and Manaka too and i want both of them happy. Yeah, Miuna was better as a child, but for me is the older Miuna fine too. ps.: Sorry for my bad english ^^" |
SillyaFeb 6, 2014 3:08 AM
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| she's an okay character. but i have to say after time skip, i'd prefer it if she gets less screen time ._. |
| Now I expect Miuna will take Manaka's place and sacrifice for Sea God, which will make most perfect character who don't have flaws. Really, first Ena, later first human who get Ena, then sound, then first human who visit sea village, first person who meet Uroko... Really... Give her finally God Powers, because this is only thing which lack her now... I liked her, but episode after episode and she really start to piss me off... -.- |
| Miuna is best girl. She is pure and perfect. Certain leagues better than Manaka and Chisaki, though Chisaki is better after the time skip. The only girl that's even close to Miuna's level is Sayu. |
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himeki-hiradaira said: thisThess said: She's boring and looks like a textbook Mary Sue with unjustified focus on her dull drama. She was fine as side character, but Hikari's far better narrator. this |
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GlaringDream said: I think for most it's mostly that she gets too much screen time. She is MC of second half, duh. |
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| I didn't like her when she was young but she is becoming more dull and the fact she got an Ena she is getting so many spotlight ~ |
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| Why is the op trying to find a reason behind this hate? People are shipping HikariXManaka so they want that to happen. Miuna getting more screen time with Hikari isn't going to advance the HikariXManaka ship, it might even do the opposite, so HikariXManaka shippers hate Miuna. Although, for non-shippers I guess it's possible they just don't like her or the fact that she became a main character. On a separate note, I actually love the idea of a support character becoming a main character. Though, in this anime they could have executed it a bit better. |
Thess said: For me, she's trying too hard to meddle in Hikari's group problems. She's boring and looks like a textbook Mary Sue with unjustified focus on her dull drama. She was fine as side character, but Hikari's far better narrator. |
KuriniFeb 6, 2014 2:33 PM
| I don't get the hate either. She's easily more likable than Manaka for me, though I don't see Hikari ending up with anyone but Manaka. |
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Sourire said: HikariXMiuna or gtfo.. #fuckthehaters #yolo #swag yyeesss |
JustSayIt23 said: I find her very dull but I don't hate her I just like the other characters more. She was better when she was a little girl imo. in that case, i like miuna better as there are not a lot of stories that have a narrator as the outsider. an outside perspective, who was once casted away is now struggling, trying to fit into a group; all this seems much more interesting to me. |
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Kurogashi said: in that case, i like miuna better as there are not a lot of stories that have a narrator as the outsider. an outside perspective, who was once casted away is now struggling, trying to fit into a group; all this seems much more interesting to me. This. |
himeki-hiradaira said: Thess said: She's boring and looks like a textbook Mary Sue with unjustified focus on her dull drama. She was fine as side character, but Hikari's far better narrator. this Agreed... I can't stand her useless filler character. It feels like they are trying to build up the "hate" on her so its easier to displace her. Have the little brat hook up with Uroko under the sea. |
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LittleStar said: Yeah, Kaname could hear that sound, too... but not good, second time he couldn't hear it, but there is Miuna who can heard it good first time and second... I don't thought about this... I understand she can have Ena, since her mom is from Sea... I just pissed that she can't be normal girl and have important role, she must awake her Ena to make her more special than rest of characters... This is like... When supporting character is in love with MC, then "must be special" because normal girl don't have a chance to be with MC... -.- You are thinking about that? 1.I am still wondering why they run/walk in Shioshishio when they can easily float/swim? 2. Hikari falls down where Manaka is.....UNDERWATER?!?! |
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kisetsune said: I don't exactly hate her, but Miuna is receiveing too much attention whilst she has nothing interesting to convey. It seems to me that the writer is forcefully placing traits on her that are supposed to be “amusing” or “special” — such as developing Ena and being able to hear a sound no one else can — in order to create a replacement female lead, seen as Manaka is hibernating and Chisaki has somewhat moved on and changed in the five years she was kept apart from her friends. As a side character, Miuna’s screen time was mostly used to develop trivial conflicts between her and other characters. And even after she began to to raise more attention to herself as the series progressed, she kept protagonizing those same trivial conflicts. The scenes where she argues with Sayu in the second half of the series were monotonous and added nothing to the plot. It feels like she hasn't matured at all in between the time skip. Whether you like it or not, the story is not about Miuna. It’s mainly about the Shioshishio kids and Miuna was supperficially projected into their world later on for the author’s conveniece. Her “leading character” wasn’t introduced smoothly, but rather forcefully. All the attributes she’s been gaining so far have no explanation and she keeps collecting more. Why has she developed Ena when she almost drowned before and it has been clearly stated that half-children can’t grow it?! Why can she hear a mysterious sound underwater that even the sea boys can’t?! Why does Uroko know about her and why did he seem interested about her and helping her?! Furthermore, the way she acts and chases after Hikari is sort of irritating. There’s nothing special about her personality either. That is, however, my opinion and the way I perceive things. If you think Miuna is a nice character material, okay. I respect that. I’m only answering the question in subject. Pretty much nailed it. The forced transition from side character to main was inelegant, and the first half did nothing to make me particularly attached to her, as she didn't get enough screen time and the viewer would only see her as a little kid, not much more. The story was rather misleading in that it seemed to focus primarily on the underwater kids, but it was actually a story of Miuna's role to help save them, as well as her story of growth. The second half would have benefited more if the first half had developed Miuna more and established her role in the story better. For me, I had seen her as that kid that was bitter towards Akari, and more of a plot device or plot arc as opposed to main character material. Also not a fan of how few flaws she has. Doesn't help that the author decided to give her Ena and listening powers either. And like the quoted poster, I also didn't like how she was so close to Hikari after he woke up. Her presence in the group doesn't fit well, since she only has ties to Hikari, with the rest of the group members being very much acquaintances, not buddies. The issue the anime has, IMO, is how it's unable to establish proper character interaction that's believable. Yeah, Hikari and Miuna went out shopping, but I was completely unconvinced with their "flirting". It just doesn't feel natural or real, whereas Manaka and Hikari's interactions felt more...sincere? Anyway, tl;dr: It's not so much the character I dislike (in fact, quiet characters are one of my favourites), but how the writers planted her in the story and painted her interactions with other characters. |
| Honestly, Miuna is my favorite character. I hate it when people hate on her. I mean, she's not a crybaby, she's mature, she treasures her friends, and I love how she wears her hair ^^ I can say a lot more but, I'll just leave it at that for now. Don't judge her just because she's getting in the way of HikarixManaka. |
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| Miuna is best girl, period. |
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kisetsune said: I agree with this. The most irritating thing about Miuna is that she's been, as you say, superficially projected into their world. Of course she develops Ena and butts into this world that's NOT HERS.I don't exactly hate her, but Miuna is receiveing too much attention whilst she has nothing interesting to convey. It seems to me that the writer is forcefully placing traits on her that are supposed to be “amusing” or “special” — such as developing Ena and being able to hear a sound no one else can — in order to create a replacement female lead, seen as Manaka is hibernating and Chisaki has somewhat moved on and changed in the five years she was kept apart from her friends. As a side character, Miuna’s screen time was mostly used to develop trivial conflicts between her and other characters. And even after she began to to raise more attention to herself as the series progressed, she kept protagonizing those same trivial conflicts. The scenes where she argues with Sayu in the second half of the series were monotonous and added nothing to the plot. It feels like she hasn't matured at all in between the time skip. Whether you like it or not, the story is not about Miuna. It’s mainly about the Shioshishio kids and Miuna was supperficially projected into their world later on for the author’s conveniece. Her “leading character” wasn’t introduced smoothly, but rather forcefully. All the attributes she’s been gaining so far have no explanation and she keeps collecting more. Why has she developed Ena when she almost drowned before and it has been clearly stated that half-children can’t grow it?! Why can she hear a mysterious sound underwater that even the sea boys can’t?! Why does Uroko know about her and why did he seem interested about her and helping her?! Furthermore, the way she acts and chases after Hikari is sort of irritating. There’s nothing special about her personality either. That is, however, my opinion and the way I perceive things. If you think Miuna is a nice character material, okay. I respect that. I’m only answering the question in subject. *internal rage* |
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razisgosu said: Miuna is best girl, period. Kurohacchi said: Honestly, Miuna is my favorite character. I hate it when people hate on her. I mean, she's not a crybaby, she's mature, she treasures her friends, and I love how she wears her hair ^^ I can say a lot more but, I'll just leave it at that for now. Don't judge her just because she's getting in the way of HikarixManaka. i love to see when she's being teased by Hikari.. damn those moments |
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Keilis said: kisetsune said: I don't exactly hate her, but Miuna is receiveing too much attention whilst she has nothing interesting to convey. It seems to me that the writer is forcefully placing traits on her that are supposed to be “amusing” or “special” — such as developing Ena and being able to hear a sound no one else can — in order to create a replacement female lead, seen as Manaka is hibernating and Chisaki has somewhat moved on and changed in the five years she was kept apart from her friends. As a side character, Miuna’s screen time was mostly used to develop trivial conflicts between her and other characters. And even after she began to to raise more attention to herself as the series progressed, she kept protagonizing those same trivial conflicts. The scenes where she argues with Sayu in the second half of the series were monotonous and added nothing to the plot. It feels like she hasn't matured at all in between the time skip. Whether you like it or not, the story is not about Miuna. It’s mainly about the Shioshishio kids and Miuna was supperficially projected into their world later on for the author’s conveniece. Her “leading character” wasn’t introduced smoothly, but rather forcefully. All the attributes she’s been gaining so far have no explanation and she keeps collecting more. Why has she developed Ena when she almost drowned before and it has been clearly stated that half-children can’t grow it?! Why can she hear a mysterious sound underwater that even the sea boys can’t?! Why does Uroko know about her and why did he seem interested about her and helping her?! Furthermore, the way she acts and chases after Hikari is sort of irritating. There’s nothing special about her personality either. That is, however, my opinion and the way I perceive things. If you think Miuna is a nice character material, okay. I respect that. I’m only answering the question in subject. Pretty much nailed it. The forced transition from side character to main was inelegant, and the first half did nothing to make me particularly attached to her, as she didn't get enough screen time and the viewer would only see her as a little kid, not much more. The story was rather misleading in that it seemed to focus primarily on the underwater kids, but it was actually a story of Miuna's role to help save them, as well as her story of growth. The second half would have benefited more if the first half had developed Miuna more and established her role in the story better. For me, I had seen her as that kid that was bitter towards Akari, and more of a plot device or plot arc as opposed to main character material. Also not a fan of how few flaws she has. Doesn't help that the author decided to give her Ena and listening powers either. And like the quoted poster, I also didn't like how she was so close to Hikari after he woke up. Her presence in the group doesn't fit well, since she only has ties to Hikari, with the rest of the group members being very much acquaintances, not buddies. The issue the anime has, IMO, is how it's unable to establish proper character interaction that's believable. Yeah, Hikari and Miuna went out shopping, but I was completely unconvinced with their "flirting". It just doesn't feel natural or real, whereas Manaka and Hikari's interactions felt more...sincere? Anyway, tl;dr: It's not so much the character I dislike (in fact, quiet characters are one of my favourites), but how the writers planted her in the story and painted her interactions with other characters. I don't see how they were flirting at all. In my opinion, Hikari's feelings for Manaka has never wavered. It is a one sided attempt at flirting. He has been friend zoning her. It would feel forced at this point if Miuna ends up with Hikari, which probably won't happen. |
kisetsune said: I don't exactly hate her, but Miuna is receiveing too much attention whilst she has nothing interesting to convey. It seems to me that the writer is forcefully placing traits on her that are supposed to be “amusing” or “special” — such as developing Ena and being able to hear a sound no one else can — in order to create a replacement female lead, seen as Manaka is hibernating and Chisaki has somewhat moved on and changed in the five years she was kept apart from her friends. As a side character, Miuna’s screen time was mostly used to develop trivial conflicts between her and other characters. And even after she began to to raise more attention to herself as the series progressed, she kept protagonizing those same trivial conflicts. The scenes where she argues with Sayu in the second half of the series were monotonous and added nothing to the plot. It feels like she hasn't matured at all in between the time skip. Whether you like it or not, the story is not about Miuna. It’s mainly about the Shioshishio kids and Miuna was supperficially projected into their world later on for the author’s conveniece. Her “leading character” wasn’t introduced smoothly, but rather forcefully. All the attributes she’s been gaining so far have no explanation and she keeps collecting more. Why has she developed Ena when she almost drowned before and it has been clearly stated that half-children can’t grow it?! Why can she hear a mysterious sound underwater that even the sea boys can’t?! Why does Uroko know about her and why did he seem interested about her and helping her?! Furthermore, the way she acts and chases after Hikari is sort of irritating. There’s nothing special about her personality either. That is, however, my opinion and the way I perceive things. If you think Miuna is a nice character material, okay. I respect that. I’m only answering the question in subject. You are jumping the gun here. The story hasn't ended yet and judging by the latest episode, there would be explanation as to why Miuna gained Ena and Manaka losing hers. I also can't understand how her chasing Hikari is annoying, she hasn't done anything obnoxious or show blatant flirting towards Hikari unless you count HIKARI teasing her as flirting (I emphasized Hikari here because HE is the one initiating the teasing, not Miuna). At the very least Miuna is honest with what she wants unlike Manaka who kept lying about her fish-knee just to keep Tsumugu's attention. I don't see how what Miuna did is more irritating/annoying than Manaka's lies. |
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jiraiya_sensei said: You are jumping the gun here. The story hasn't ended yet and judging by the latest episode, there would be explanation as to why Miuna gained Ena and Manaka losing hers. I also can't understand how her chasing Hikari is annoying, she hasn't done anything obnoxious or show blatant flirting towards Hikari unless you count HIKARI teasing her as flirting (I emphasized Hikari here because HE is the one initiating the teasing, not Miuna). At the very least Miuna is honest with what she wants unlike Manaka who kept lying about her fish-knee just to keep Tsumugu's attention. I don't see how what Miuna did is more irritating/annoying than Manaka's lies. I must agree with you. Aside from being the teenager that she is, I haven't seen her take any actions to where it warrants such comments. |
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