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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Its out at Crunchyroll, for EVERYONE, not just anime members. http://www.crunchyroll.com/library/SHANGRI-LA Another good episode, and still as strange as ever. |
| already finished the episode nice to see more of the environment (other than the towns/cities) ... the forests appear to play a larger role than just being a carbon sink and there's more of the buying/selling of the carbon market which is great ^_^ |
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| "I'm not part anything but.. I'm fully transsexual!" "Oh, I did grab the "gold".. just not at the olympics" That little convo in the jungle between Kuniko and Momoko was funny, I rofl'd! Surely, Momoko amuses me the most. Just keeps getting interesting. That lady Ryoko or whatever sure is ugly and I wouldn't want to get on Mikuni's bad side, although she looks cute, she sure is deadly as hell. I laughed a lot during this episode. "And the enemy?" "Polka dots." I would've loved to have seen "that" too! =D |
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| It was nice to see the jungle. Looks very wild and strange. The series is interesting. But it's really not catching my eye. I hope it gets better, because I have high hopes for it. I stand by that the thing in the bowl looks like a Pokemon. |
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yunadestined said: "And the enemy?" "Polka dots." I would've loved to have seen "that" too! =D ^ My thoughts exactly. I wasn't so sure after watching the first episode that I'd pick up this anime. After seeing the 2nd I think I'm sold. Which is strange due to the first episode kicking alot more ass... /shrug. |
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llamaben said: THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Its out at Crunchyroll, for EVERYONE, not just anime members. http://www.crunchyroll.com/library/SHANGRI-LA Another good episode, and still as strange as ever. Wow, CR realises that they cannot beat the fansubs... I still prefer to have it on my hdd rather than stream it. They need to explain what's going on quickly... I'm starting to get pissed off.... Momoko is as weird as ever...... |
MRLX69Apr 13, 2009 2:43 AM
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| Me like this episode a lot! Some things I learn: Medusa is being used in a loop hole as in tricked to work (but is really to Medusa hole to escape) after work done Medusa come back to place it stuck at. Atlas think the artillery is super new weapon. Still don't know who Klaris really is nor Zhang nor Tarsian. LOL @ Klaris profile....."Like rich..hate poor" Part with Mikuni freak me out. Lady got crushed by invisible power? Ryoko almost kill Sion??? She not right in head...denpa (mean something close to insane)! Fight of jungle and all that good! I like name Ikebukuro...swamp. I am starting to like Karin's face. Lord of Atlas look scary!  O_O Power scary of Mikuni Anyone have refrences to suit used by Atlas. It remind me of other anime using model like that. |
| We got a lot more info on how Karin and the others operate, at least I didn't quite get only from the pressure she applied on that random 3rd world country on ep1. Here's my view on what they do, hopefully it's half right: They use Medusa to find a country with a particular high carbon debt, such a country doesn't attract foreign investors and its economy stagnates, the carbon debt amount is certainly top secret info, so Medusa is a central part of the process. They make a deal with the target in order to clear their debt, most likely using a system of transferring carbon credits from a country with surplus in a similar way the Kyoto Protocol works. using Medusa's power to hack into the regulating agency's database and deleting it. They also make money from this deal so they're profiting on all levels. Before the country starts attracting huge investments they invest in the country themselves, buying practically everything at a very low price. They watch as the foreign investments start to flow in and the price for land and commercial and industrial structures skyrocket, the increased production most likely raise the country's carbon debt again, which mean later the prices will start to drop again. When Karin feels the prices have reached their peak, they sell everything they've invested in, for humongous profit. Other than that we have some symbolism on how they need to keep Medusa feeling it's trapped in a small island and the carbon debts are waves that can sink it if they're too big and etc. Also I don't think the whole process would take less than 5 minutes, but let's just leave it at that. |
RandomOugiApr 13, 2009 12:23 PM
| I didn't understand all yet like with Karin and this Medusa system (it's normal with only two episodes) ... but i enjoyed very much this episode ! \O/ The end with the Lord of Atlas is really frightening. =O (and even the power of Mikuni Oô) A very good episode ! =) |
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| Hmmm so the animation couldn't stay as good as it was on the first episode eh? Well, that was expected, but at the same time, the script starts to be interesting with a lot of different groups fighting for power and loads of characters to develop. Still, there are a lot of unneeded scenes and strange humour, but this second episode was very enjoyable overall, and Shangri-La seems to have a nice SF setting mixed with ecological concerns (let's hope it doesn't end like Origin...). |
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| Remembered to add that Klaris buys Ferrari???? Big joke! |
| Yay i watched ep 2 O.O it was so/so kinda scks that we didnt learn who fired those shots after all =/ o so i wasnt the only one to think the animation dropped =D |
llamaben said: Another good episode, and still as strange as ever. agreed, strange as ever, wonder where this show is going to go |
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ClearSinz said: Yay i watched ep 2 O.O it was so/so kinda scks that we didnt learn who fired those shots after all =/ o so i wasnt the only one to think the animation dropped =D Me have yet to see in 720p about that animation drop. Edit maybe later this. |
| I will just say I don't trust the lottery, it is probably a way to kill people, just saying. Anyway the whole gold and silver conversation and then the military guy running in asking about it was great. |
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nyamo said: Strange in a good way, i like how they're showing more of the forest and how the carbon market works, but i'm still confused.llamaben said: Another good episode, and still as strange as ever. agreed, strange as ever, wonder where this show is going to go |
| Didn't see any animation drop, its still shiny. It was a good episode. |
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| I'm not really getting the relationships between all of the factions, and the whole little economic spiel in the beginning was a little too much, so I feel more in the dark than I did in the previous episode. So, this was just an ok episode. |
| Still wondering what to think about this show, so very strange. |
| The attack at the beginning didn't look like it was from missiles or artillery nor did it look like it was a laser weapon. The way the objects just floated in the sky then shot down made it feel more like needles or sharp objects. Explosions only happened when the objects hit buildings too. I wouldn't be surprised if the knives are tools to harness a natural weapon. |
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| I agree. But not that they looked like needles. To me they looked like black semi-solid orbs that, as they rushed to impact, got longer and thinner. It was strange to me that they thought it was a machine. I thought it was some weird phenomena. |
| I loved how they did show more of the scenarios this time. But the only thing I did not get was, why did the fat transsexual dude get picked for? I mean I'm just confused, just a little. Anyway great episode. :D |
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| so from what I am grabbing from this series so far is that it plays heavy on the "eco" aspect which is really interesting. There are a lot of aspects to this series so far: ...Polka dots... hahahahahaaha |
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| i wonder what type of weapon it was that leaves no trace of it ever being there? and i wonder whats this whole business about atlas is? |
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noteDhero said: I agree. But not that they looked like needles. To me they looked like black semi-solid orbs that, as they rushed to impact, got longer and thinner. It was strange to me that they thought it was a machine. I thought it was some weird phenomena. Anti-matter transmutation? Is it? |
| meh i hope i dont continue to lose interest in this one :( |
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| As for the lottery and the relationships between factions, what is possible to see so far is the following social status ranking, from top to bottom: Mikuni Atlas Corp. (Ishida Finance at a similar level/isolated?) Government/Army Atlas citizens/employees Regular citizens The lottery is a way for regular citizens to ascend in social status, but it's most likely not random and manipulated by Atlas. Among Atlas Corp. members there are many subdivisions that further determine their social status, this is shown when Mikuni's retainer shoots the couple's car with an anti-materiel rifle and, after checking the male's citizen ranking upgrades him to AG from BC, so that the guy who got the nerve to stand in Mikuni's way didn't have such a low social ranking, since it'd actually embarrass Mikuni. I'm guessing the promotion went: BC -> BA -> AZ(?) -> ... -> AG. We're most likely getting more info in the social system next episode by watching Mi-ko, who I think is voiced by Norio Wakamoto, as she is granted Atlas citizenship. With this I've explained two of the plot's more difficult sections(there's a post regarding Ishida Finance's M.O. on the 1st page). It's too early to start elaborating on the relationship between Mikuni, Kuniko and Kunihito, as the only points in common we've seen so far are the daggers and their names. |
RandomOugi said: As for the lottery and the relationships between factions, what is possible to see so far is the following social status ranking, from top to bottom: Mikuni Atlas Corp. (Ishida Finance at a similar level/isolated?) Government/Army Atlas citizens/employees Regular citizens The lottery is a way for regular citizens to ascend in social status, but it's most likely not random and manipulated by Atlas. Among Atlas Corp. members there are many subdivisions that further determine their social status, this is shown when Mikuni's retainer shoots the couple's car with an anti-materiel rifle and, after checking the male's citizen ranking upgrades him to AG from BC, so that the guy who got the nerve to stand in Mikuni's way didn't have such a low social ranking, since it'd actually embarrass Mikuni. I'm guessing the promotion went: BC -> BA -> AZ(?) -> ... -> AG. We're most likely getting more info in the social system next episode by watching Mi-ko, who I think is voiced by Norio Wakamoto, as she is granted Atlas citizenship. With this I've explained two of the plot's more difficult sections(there's a post regarding Ishida Finance's M.O. on the 1st page). It's too early to start elaborating on the relationship between Mikuni, Kuniko and Kunihito, as the only points in common we've seen so far are the daggers and their names. I have to say Mikuni eyes make her appearance special each time but now she got me scarred, because she kill that women. Me not know at all she had such power. |
| i think its a nice serie. some facts that i dont get now but i think they will clear it later. also some political background so i keep watching it. |
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| I love how this series develops. This is maybe how earth will be in the future if nothing changes. And we all hope that it will not be like this, right? ;) |
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Tsukasa-san said: I love how this series develops. This is maybe how earth will be in the future if nothing changes. And we all hope that it will not be like this, right? ;) I also love this series ... BUT your second line ... I must say I complete disagree =.= That world is assuming a heavy carbon taxation market is in place (in order to reduce greenhouse gases) ... currently, some European nations have that tax system (well more like carbon trading where you can buy and sell a certain amount of it) ... but that system is not loved everywhere around the world ... |
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kaminakun said: That world is assuming a heavy carbon taxation market is in place (in order to reduce greenhouse gases) ... currently, some European nations have that tax system (well more like carbon trading where you can buy and sell a certain amount of it) ... but that system is not loved everywhere around the world ... Really? I have never heard about that but it sounds great. Earth might have a future ;) |
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| Crowded! One thing for sure that it's crowded but catchy and refreshing at the same time. Very refreshing actually. I liked the fact that they took a traditional location and modernized it for a setting. There seems to be many enemies in the story. The main character seems melancholic and brave too. |
emma_amy said: Haha the lottery thing defiently seems shady. It feels really similar to movie The Island, they get picked to go "the island" through a lottery in almost the exact same way. exactly what i though. personally i thought this episode sucked. Didn't like the first much and this was even worse. The plot is interesting cause it's really odd but it's all over the place and constantly introducing random new things. Some of the chracters designs are truely horrid and some of the worst i've ever seen, as well as i don't like any of the characters in the series so far except the girl with the different coloured eyes. Probably because of the way she killed that lady :P only bit i enjoyed the whole episode. |
| It's interesting to see someone criticize the character designs like you're doing, velcom, since they are certainly a important point of the series and one that attracted a lot if not most of its viewers on this side of the globe. The artist, Murata Renji, is famous for previous successful works along with GONZO, so that's what set a lot of people's hopes high for this show. The setting is certainly odd, but the plot is proceeding at a nice and fast pace for a 3 month show, since it's managing to introduce a lot of particulars about the setting and characters in quick succession and without explaining everything directly to the viewer(which for many people is a bonus), it does, however, require some attention and knowledge in order to understand what's going on. |
| I don't see how people can be appealed by those designs 0_o, i'm also curious what series you mean by successes. from my view gonzo haven't had a success in years, they have pulled out of the stock markets and i heard they may possibly go into bankruptcy. And from my view that all makes sense since the three worst series i've seen this series were all there's and i've already dropped 2 of them. I still disagree about the plot aswell, i personally love deep plots and ones that don't explain everything to the viewer but the fact is there's only been 2 episodes in this and they have introduced so many different things that it's just a mess. And according to mal it's going to be a 24 episode series, thats more than 3 months. |
Novaangle18 said: yunadestined said: "And the enemy?" "Polka dots." I would've loved to have seen "that" too! =D ^ My thoughts exactly. I wasn't so sure after watching the first episode that I'd pick up this anime. After seeing the 2nd I think I'm sold. Which is strange due to the first episode kicking alot more ass... /shrug. I was laughing a lot when he said that, I didn't expected it at all |
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| @velcom I just noticed the fact that it's a 6 month show, so the pace they're presenting everything might be indeed a bit fast, hopefully the show doesn't run out of material and we have a bland half to end of it filled with action scenes or something else to spend time. Murata Renji and GONZO's previous cooperations are namely: Last Exile, in which he did both mecha and character design; character design for Blue Sub #6 and mecha design for Solty Rei. Most of his female protagonists are tomboyish short haired adolescents, and his work often combines art deco with japanese traditional artistic elements. I'm saying this from the standpoint of a long time fan, but I really believe that he being part of the staff was the most attractive point when news of the series' production started spreading over 6 months ago. Of course the original designs have much more quality than what gets to the tv screen, so if you're willing to you can try to take a look at one of his artbooks or other works like Robot. |
| Mmrph. I'm still not sure whether I want to continue watching this. The character art (which, though I loved Murata's designs in Last Exile, didn't look so great here in the first place) is already going off model. At least, that's how it appeared when I watched it on CR (again with the audio/video synch problems too, geez). As for the plot, I know it's still early, but I've yet to be hooked. |
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| ah sorry didn't realise he was the last exile artist, but still like senna said i think they are poor character designs even originally. And i think 6 months is plenty of time for a good plot unlike 12-13eps. I think they could be spreading the plot out more for the beginning. |
| I think its a little early to judge the plot thus far in the series. we've seen a grand total of 2 episodes out of 24. For all we know they could be squeezing all this plot in at the beginning because they had so much more stuff to fit in later. Anyways! I completely love the scenery in this series it feels so original and refreshing. Few pieces of eye candy for everyone: |
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Achight said: I think its a little early to judge the plot thus far in the series. we've seen a grand total of 2 episodes out of 24. For all we know they could be squeezing all this plot in at the beginning because they had so much more stuff to fit in later. Anyways! I completely love the scenery in this series it feels so original and refreshing. Few pieces of eye candy for everyone: Makes you think how future is going to be with Global Warming... |
MRLX69 said: They need to explain what's going on quickly... I'm starting to get pissed off.... that's exactly how i feel. between the confusing plot and all the trannie chars/jokes..i'm about to drop the series. i'll give it a few more episodes, but i didn't really enjoy this one much. |
Achight said: I think its a little early to judge the plot thus far in the series. we've seen a grand total of 2 episodes out of 24. For all we know they could be squeezing all this plot in at the beginning because they had so much more stuff to fit in later. Anyways! I completely love the scenery in this series it feels so original and refreshing. Few pieces of eye candy for everyone: Awesome pics. I totally agree with you. I think it's too early for us to judge but anyone who have watched the first two episodes could tell that the story is going to be rich and full of details and that the characters*I'm not sure if all characters in the novel have made an appearance* are both original and multi-dimensional. The setting is breath-taking! I'm loving the themes and vibrant colors. |
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