| bashing it calling it generic etc.. bad cant people just give animes a chance xd , i have hopes SAO 2 will be better even tho SAO killed me , just wait and give the show a chance xd |
| So far, the show did pull a handful of familiar tropes, causing a lot of people to call it generic. Luckily, they were done correctly. |
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| This is my first mecha and I didn't like the protagonist, I might as well start Mobile Suit Gundam(1979). |
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| It really was the MC that put me off. I dont mind the generic set up as much as the personality of the MC. Who the hell gave him a license to pilot multimillion dollar mechs? Supposedly in a world that was short on resources? |
T3hSource said: if you dislike this protagonist then you will despise amuro.This is my first mecha and I didn't like the protagonist, I might as well start Mobile Suit Gundam(1979). |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
JizzyHitler said: T3hSource said: if you dislike this protagonist then you will despise amuro.This is my first mecha and I didn't like the protagonist, I might as well start Mobile Suit Gundam(1979). Amuro was not a soldier at the start. |
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DawnJ said: So, their actions and personalities are identical and it takes amruo almost the entire series to grow out of it and even then he lets it still get to him in zeta and char's coutnerattack at points. amuro is a great character in his regard but hes also one people need to have have certain tolerances for. If they are bothered by this MC then amuro will probably be WAY worse. Cause amuro also had a nasty ego for a good half of the series until the ramba ral arc.JizzyHitler said: if you dislike this protagonist then you will despise amuro. Amuro was not a soldier at the start. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| I don't know If you'll agree on this one but I think the main character is basically Eren Jaeger. |
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osmanabi said: I don't know If you'll agree on this one but I think the main character is basically Eren Jaeger. He said, simultaneously describing every shounen anime ever made. |
JizzyHitler said: Actually no, Amuro is more believable and he isn't in the military. It's done so much better, even with all the 80s camp Gundam 0079 has.If they are bothered by this MC then amuro will probably be WAY worse. Cause amuro also had a nasty ego for a good half of the series until the ramba ral arc. |
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soluuloi said: And if it was getting an 8+ score there would be a thread saying its over hyped.It's so bad that someone has to make a topic begging people to give it a chance. Yes, it's that bad. If it's actually good then there's no reason for this topic to be existed, right? |
FrogTheDryWidget said: Mecha does have a tendency to be a formulaic genre, no more or less than a host of other genres like harem. Personally, I like mecha but I also have an idea of what to expect. It is sort of difficult to put the "giant robot built for war" outside of the context of war and the host of other usual themes. That is, unless you are thinking of garbage like Infinite Stratos which is just a bunch of otaku shit disguised as a mecha/sci-fi but alas, I digress. But seriously, judging a 24 episode series based on one, two, or even three episodes? Good grief. Mecha seems to just get grilled for it more than other genres though. |
galimx said: I second that.We give them a chance, and then drop them if they are bad. |
| I'm not liking it because it's about an angsty teen in the middle of an war piloting an overpowered mecha that only he can have because plot said so. |
| This anime is neither great or terrible to me right now. But it's firmly in the realm of mediocrity to me, which isn't a good thing. Hopefully the series will do something that will catch my attention with the 3rd or 4th episode, or I will drop as well. I can always come back and watch the series if it actually drastically improves. |
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| well it is no where as terrible as m3 yet they share the same score |
| If it progress well, the rating will rise up, why so worry -.- |
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Zheng1991 said: If it progress well, the rating will rise up, why so worry -.- Those people need a false prophet who will save them from popular anime, desperate times desperate measures. |
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| I'm still sticking by my previous statement... but I'll say now I'll give the show 5 episodes, since apparently the 4th episode will be a good bit different from the previous 3 in mood/setting it looks like. It's not bad, but nothing really stands out about it either. I'm watching more shows than usual this season, this could very likely be dropped. Or possibly a better idea if I still don't have a good feel for the anime and yet its till medoicre by ep 5, I'll put it on hold and see if it actually improved enough over the course of its run when the show is done airing to warrent me finishing the anime. |
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dragonlight said: soluuloi said: And if it was getting an 8+ score there would be a thread saying its over hyped.It's so bad that someone has to make a topic begging people to give it a chance. Yes, it's that bad. If it's actually good then there's no reason for this topic to be existed, right? Yup, this guy knows it^ |
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| - add more suspense - add more drama This is a Military, ffs |
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| I can see why people are badmouthing this show. Three episodes in, and there's still no "whoa" moment. It's an airing show so it needs to throw something interesting in or people won't get interested. |
Kaioshin_Sama said: ¨FrogTheDryWidget said: Mecha does have a tendency to be a formulaic genre, no more or less than a host of other genres like harem. Personally, I like mecha but I also have an idea of what to expect. It is sort of difficult to put the "giant robot built for war" outside of the context of war and the host of other usual themes. That is, unless you are thinking of garbage like Infinite Stratos which is just a bunch of otaku shit disguised as a mecha/sci-fi but alas, I digress. But seriously, judging a 24 episode series based on one, two, or even three episodes? Good grief. Mecha seems to just get grilled for it more than other genres though. Absolutely. I'm fairly new to MAL, but the more I read and go through lists, the more I realize that mecha and sci-fi are underrated here. I tend to always add a point to the rating anything on MAL has in these genre's to give myself a correct impression of the quality of the show. |
mayukachan said: No it's because the main character is annoying apparently. Also "cliches."I can see why people are badmouthing this show. Three episodes in, and there's still no "whoa" moment. It's an airing show so it needs to throw something interesting in or people won't get interested. |
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Botato said: mayukachan said: No it's because the main character is annoying apparently. Also "cliches."I can see why people are badmouthing this show. Three episodes in, and there's still no "whoa" moment. It's an airing show so it needs to throw something interesting in or people won't get interested. It's all of the above really, but this show does not bring anything different than other shows so far. A spark. |
| Within three episodes, I have yet to become even slightly invested in any of the characters. The protagonist is the same generic teenager from other mech series with added bonus of military training that he wholeheartedly ignores in every single episode. I don't care about the two countries at war nor do I care about why they are fighting this war because the show hasn't given me any to care about in terms of why this conflict is happening. Bottom line, this show does absolutely nothing to set itself apart from everyone else in first three episodes, nor does it seem like things will change in future episodes. |
| I am just glad it isn't a high school drama with mecha like so many others. |
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| Ppl score it low probably because it doesn't have panty-shot and shitloads of moe fanservise. |
| ったく、嫌な世の中だよ。 |
CG said: Ppl score it low probably because it doesn't have panty-shot and shitloads of moe fanservise. It's quite the opposite. Sidonia no Kishi is as serious (or even more) than this show yet has a nice rating. It's about adding edge to the story. |
| Dropping at the first episode. Poorly made CGI, bad mech design, annoying main character. This is just ... plain bad, so no. |
| 3 eps in, dropped like a hot potato. Enough with the 'angsty self-righteous MC who gets the ultimate weapon' trope already. Why can't we have a decent war story without emo MCs? Even his captain makes for a much more interesting character. What we got instead is a rehash of Guilty Crown with robots. |
| I dont know man, i watched episode 1 and it was quite a meh, and then i read people on MAL hate it, so i was like, ughhh dropped. but then i got a free time and decide to watch episode 2 while eating McDonalds and i was surprised by how enjoyable the anime was! And the fighting scene is fun!!! i love it people should give this anime a 2nd chance |
| Yep, I agree. It's sad that it gets so little attention - Argevollen is absent from many season reviews I watch/read, which is really undeserved. Maybe it is not as spectacular as other shows of this season, but it has some rare qualities, that deserve to be praised (and included in more titles): 1) All the characters are adults. Also all of the fighting characters are in military or have reason to be on the battlefield (no schoolboys! yay!); 2) There is one side of the conflict we're supposed to root for, but the opposing side is shown to consist of normal, living, different people (no cartoonish villians! but no pacifism. yay n.2!). Also at the very beginning it was said that both sides are responsible for the conflict; 3) War is treated as something that is unpleasant and often dirty, but, on the other hand, life continues even during war; 4) The show focuses on relationships between people - subordination, initiative, responsibility. And reactions are written well. 5) No unnecessary fanservice or lolies, or incest, or pink-haired girls. In short, It is a frighteningly good war drama. Most bad parts are caused by obviously low production values and the mecha part: 1) The show is damn slow; 2) The show is not exceptionally well animated; 3) The setting is inconsistent in technology; 4) The setting is not very bright, nor in terms of topics, nor in terms of designs; 5) MC can be annoying, because he is a trademark shounen hero in a pretty mature situation (unnecessary heroism, recklessness and "I must save them all!" - meh!); 6) The whole mecha story doesn't start to make sense (after the fourth episode, at least); 7) No necessary fanservice or lolies, or incest, or pink-haired girls. |
deadoptimistAug 1, 2014 12:11 PM
| I skipped this because of all the hate going round. Though now having seen it, it's not anything great but doesn't deserve the thrashing it's being given currently. I'll watch it through. Still, an emotional MC who wants to save everyone then gains the power of an overpowered mecha is pretty generic... |
deadoptimist said: This.In short, It is a frighteningly good war drama. |
| ったく、嫌な世の中だよ。 |
| So, we're done the first cour of this show...Do you guys think it's worth it? (for people who are caught up) I'm deciding if I should just marathon this later or actually follow it. |
| Folooooow it. I'm enjoying it a lot, it's very fulfilling to see Tokimune's growth week after week, and watching once a week kind of fits with the slowish war-time pace of the show, which already provides a really nice and realistic atmosphere. Definitely worth it to me. |
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| From the second half of first cour, this show is really much more interesting for me, than it was by the first series. For me, very interesting to see Tokimune's growth week after week, too. Also, i really glad that in anime was shown all the "joy" of the latest models of military equipment: it requires an enormous amount of time to spend in the hands of technicians to remain in service. And getting an replacement part - it's all a complete nightmare for support. And this "skeletons in the closet"... Definitely, this show is worth for me. |
mayukachan said: It's pretty decent 7/10 for now.So, we're done the first cour of this show...Do you guys think it's worth it? (for people who are caught up) I'm deciding if I should just marathon this later or actually follow it. I'd say follow it. |
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| I caught up. A solid 6/10 from me. It's just really boring. My preferred type of mecha is Sidonia no Kishi which is more sci-fi/world building and less military drama style. This one just isn't my type of tea, but I'm interested enough to follow it to the end. At least, it's not like m3 or CE where it gets progressively worse into a giant trainwreck. |
deadoptimist said: Yep, I agree. It's sad that it gets so little attention - Argevollen is absent from many season reviews I watch/read, which is really undeserved. Maybe it is not as spectacular as other shows of this season, but it has some rare qualities, that deserve to be praised (and included in more titles): 1) All the characters are adults. Also all of the fighting characters are in military or have reason to be on the battlefield (no schoolboys! yay!); 2) There is one side of the conflict we're supposed to root for, but the opposing side is shown to consist of normal, living, different people (no cartoonish villians! but no pacifism. yay n.2!). Also at the very beginning it was said that both sides are responsible for the conflict; 3) War is treated as something that is unpleasant and often dirty, but, on the other hand, life continues even during war; 4) The show focuses on relationships between people - subordination, initiative, responsibility. And reactions are written well. 5) No unnecessary fanservice or lolies, or incest, or pink-haired girls. In short, It is a frighteningly good war drama. Most bad parts are caused by obviously low production values and the mecha part: 1) The show is damn slow; 2) The show is not exceptionally well animated; 3) The setting is inconsistent in technology; 4) The setting is not very bright, nor in terms of topics, nor in terms of designs; 5) MC can be annoying, because he is a trademark shounen hero in a pretty mature situation (unnecessary heroism, recklessness and "I must save them all!" - meh!); 6) The whole mecha story doesn't start to make sense (after the fourth episode, at least); 7) No necessary fanservice or lolies, or incest, or pink-haired girls. I agree with most of your points. This show is criminally underrated IMO. |
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