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Aug 1, 9:53 AM
#1
| Now that the Takopi's Original Sin anime has reached its conclusion, a lot of people are calling it rushed, unrealistic, or a "happy ending" that betrays the story's brutal premise. While I understand that reaction, I want to offer a different interpretation. Far from being a narrative failure, Takopi's ending is the logical and thematically coherent culmination of its central message: in a world with no real magic to heal real wounds, the only possible salvation lies in empathy and the decision to survive together. The Real Villains: Before judging the ending, it's crucial to identify the true antagonists of this story. They aren't Shizuka, Marina, or even Azuma at their worst. They are broken children acting as mirrors of their creators: the adults and the environment that abandoned them. Shizuka isn't just a victim of bullying; she is the product of maternal neglect so profound it has emptied her of self-worth. Her mother doesn't hate her; she simply "doesn't want any more trouble"—an indifference that is perhaps crueler than hatred itself. Marina channels the bitterness and resentment of her own mother, who makes her feel guilty for a divorce in which she is just collateral damage (not to mention the mother's own severe mental instability). Her cruelty toward Shizuka doesn't come from nowhere; it's an inherited rage directed at the most visible symbol of her family's misfortune. Azuma is trapped in the shadow of a "perfect" brother, crushed by a family pressure that has convinced him of his own worthlessness. It's no wonder he falls prey to manipulation out of emotional dependency; he's a boy who was taught he would never do anything right. The story screams at us that these children are not evil by nature. They are the direct consequence of a world that failed them, forcing them into a premature and distorted maturity. Their monstrous acts are the desperate language of their pain. The Paradox of Takopi: This is where the adorable octopus with his magical gadgets comes in. One thing I loved about the author's narrative is how it makes us believe Takopi is the solution, only to later prove the opposite. As the characters themselves realize by the end, Takopi is, in practice, "useless." His magic doesn't fix anything; in fact, it only magnifies the tragedy. His intervention allows Shizuka's repressed rage to explode in a homicidal way, or for Marina's fear and stress to boil over, making her the one who wants to end it all. Takopi is not a savior; he is a catalyst. He is the question: "What if a broken person had magic?" The answer is even greater chaos, because the root problems—abuse, neglect, pressure—can't be solved with a time-rewinding camera. Magic only exposes the wound; it never heals it. What good is magic when its presence only lays bare the unbearable? What is it worth when it reveals it cannot save us? (I highly recommend listening to the lyrics of the OP and ED). It's Not Happiness, It's Survival: Takopi sacrifices himself, time is "reset," and the girls connect through a vague sense of deja vu and a drawing. A forced ending? Only if we expect a realistic solution to a problem presented through a fantasy lens. Many expected Oyasumi Punpun but ended up joking that it was Doraemon. The truth is, the series was always an uncomfortable mix of both. Takopi's sacrifice does NOT erase the past, nor does it magically fix their lives. Their parents will still be the same; their traumas WILL still be there. The only thing the sacrifice does is grant them something they never had: A CHANCE. By removing his own existence—the magical catalyst—Takopi gives the responsibility back to them. And no, it wasn't a waste of time for Takopi to have arrived in the first place. Because he came to understand a little, a verrrrry little, of how humans feel, he was able to give them that chance. Maybe without Takopi, one of them wouldn't be alive. Maybe later, neither would. Maybe they both would have survived anyway. The point is, Takopi arrived wanting to spread happiness, and ended up spreading a little bit of hope. The deja vu isn't a memory; it's a scar of empathy. It's the echo of having unconsciously seen the misery in each other's eyes. Shizuka and Marina deciding to walk together doesn't mean they're suddenly besties and all is forgiven. It means that, in a world that has left them utterly alone, they recognize each other as fellow survivors. They are choosing to face their bleak reality together instead of apart. The ending isn't "life is beautiful." The ending is "life goes on, and it deserves to be lived despite everything." It's a message of resilience, of forced maturity, and of the hope that can be born not from happiness, but from shared pain. (Unpopular Opinion): Maybe it still feels forced to you. Maybe Shizuka's shift feels too abrupt, or you can't empathize with Marina, or you just disliked the bittersweet conclusion. But it is thematically flawless and aligns perfectly with the psyche of children pushed to their absolute limits. It leaves us with an uncomfortable truth: there is no magic that can save us, only the fragile and powerful decision to reach out to another broken soul. And I don't see why that isn't realistic in the first place. I imagine some would have preferred to see them locked up in a psychiatric facility, or to have them move to different cities and resent each other forever. Sure, maybe that happens in the real world. But resilience exists, too. But what do you all think? :) |
Aug 1, 10:08 AM
#2
OziDB said: The deja vu isn't a memory; OziDB said: it's a scar of empathy. It's the echo of having unconsciously seen the misery in each other's eyes. Shizuka and Marina deciding to walk together doesn't mean they're suddenly besties and all is forgiven. It means that, in a world that has left them utterly alone, they recognize each other as fellow survivors. They are choosing to face their bleak reality together instead of apart. The ending isn't "life is beautiful." The ending is "life goes on, and it deserves to be lived despite everything." It's a message of resilience, of forced maturity, and of the hope that can be born not from happiness, but from shared pain. Thank you for that explanation! It was the only thing I didn't quite understand. I absolutely loved this series start to end. Altho I was shivering for most of it. |
Aug 1, 10:08 AM
#3
| Beautfully worded. I'm not smart enough to write a full comment with my thoughts but I resonate with every word you wrote about the story. Takopi won't leave my mind for a while. I'm leaving this comment because I can't give you a like. |
Aug 1, 10:16 AM
#4
| I also want to thank you for this because having just finished watching it I felt like the ending was kind of abrupt and lacking and reading your take on this helped put it more into perspective. |
Aug 1, 10:44 AM
#5
| I heard several times that the ending was disappointing, and that's exactly why I was 100% sure it was going to be a good one even before watching the last episode. |
Aug 1, 10:59 AM
#7
| All his happy gadgets were useless, in the end he was just a common friend between the 3 of them. |
Aug 1, 11:42 AM
#8
| I think the ending sucked and what could've been 9/10, is now 6/10. it was still enjoyable but felt extremely anticlimactic. I can tell I was supposed to be sad but I didn't have any attachment to takopi. |
| 馬鹿げた倫理 全部ガラクタで |
Aug 1, 11:45 AM
#9
| You nailed it 👏💯 |
Aug 1, 11:51 AM
#10
| I have to disagree a bit there. I don't consider any of the children as villains as you said they're products of their environment. The real villains are neglectful parents that pushed their children to commit such heinous acts as Marina bullies Shizuka, Shikuza not caring about literal person dying and even committing kidnapping and Azuma helping conceal crime he well knows he shouldn't looking for some sort of appreciation in that. If you look at the 5th episode despite everything, they all grew up in 2022 but that version of Marina killed her mother and that's why Takopi first went back. He wasn't the catalyst for that tragedy as it was already rooted that Marina's mother abused her daughter and even gave her scar. The second rewind the first ep, Takopi wasn't also the catalyst for Shizuka's suicide. Again it was Marina who took chappy, Shikuza's only source of love, away with the animal shelter. So we can conclude that Takopi went through two different timelines which both result in different tragedies but both happened not because of Takopii or his magic stuff. Basically stuff that would happen either way whether we see what happened through Takopi's eyes or not. Here comes my problem with the ending. The two girls bonding over vague sense of dejavu of Takopi's drawing with Takopi's sacrifice. That's the annoying part. Takopi sacrifices himself, the girls same how talk/see the pain each went through off screen and they rely each other as survivors... happy ending. At least show me how they talk, how they start seeing each other beyond the hatred they have for each other. It just happened and we see them in future ''surviving, by relying on each other''. Let's also not forget the issues Marina's mother had towards Shizuka's mother, as if Marina's mother some how accepts Marina and Shizuka's friendship? What about Marina falling for Azuma only for him to fall for Shizuka. I mean the timeline has been reset no way Azuma is mature now/has the character development he had....or maybe he is mature now..? as we're shown that he fights with his brother when Takopi was narrating at the end? How did that happen? All in All it's messy and not exactly proper. I don't want everything spelled out. The problem is that all the character development we had was present in the ending after the reset happened. The problem with time travel is that everything that happened before time traveling aside from the character that traveled is basically nonexistent, so when you give me an ending right after time travel, it doesn't work. Timeskip usually works but going back in time just doesn't. Everything has to happened again or at least all characters has to have that development they had present in the ending after the time travel. That's why it feels rushed and forced even. All that would be solved is Takopi was to show himself to both girls and them both seeing him together would have their reaction to the drawing feel more natural and even Takopi be their shared first step to seeing each other as survivors and potentially rely on each other. If Takopi appeared instead of drawing even for a several second and had a small impact on the characters, it would make more sense. The probelm is the theme that author set for their story. If the theme was as you said, then make it natural not a fling of drawing getting two characters closer like magic. |
Aug 1, 12:03 PM
#11
| i get what you mean, it's a great central message, and i imagine this might what author intended. but it's a bit ironic that the first thing i feel from that ending is it's a literal magic, just like what i imagine how friendship ribbon will works if it used properly. |
Aug 1, 12:43 PM
#13
| I don't get how anyone can think that Shizuka and Marina becoming friends isn't a happy resolution for them after everything that happened. This is neither a tragic nor neutral ending or whatever, this was literally ending on a happy and hopeful note xD You don't need erase all the problems in their lives for a happy ending, their friendship is enough to be considered one. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
Aug 1, 12:50 PM
#14
| *Insert “someone cooked here” meme* |
| People on MAL refuse to actually enjoy watching anime. Your taste in anime isn't a personality trait. Take me back to the days before MAL became infested with Twitter's favorite buzzwords. |
Aug 1, 12:57 PM
#15
| Stories like Takopi aren't my perfect cup of tea, i enjoyed it but i'm not the type who goes deep thinking about what happened here and there ecc. But BUT i did find the ending very satisfying. It's not a happy ending, not a tragic ending, just what i needed to see to find myself still thinking about it after some hours. |
Aug 1, 1:02 PM
#16
Reply to Hebi_op
Stories like Takopi aren't my perfect cup of tea, i enjoyed it but i'm not the type who goes deep thinking about what happened here and there ecc.
But BUT i did find the ending very satisfying. It's not a happy ending, not a tragic ending, just what i needed to see to find myself still thinking about it after some hours.
But BUT i did find the ending very satisfying. It's not a happy ending, not a tragic ending, just what i needed to see to find myself still thinking about it after some hours.
| @Hebi_op You sure have a lot of anime on-hold. |
Aug 1, 1:12 PM
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Aug 1, 1:27 PM
#20
| I deeply respect how the anime doesn't actually fix any of their problems that got them to their lowest points, I think it really makes it far more relatable and well meaning than if it had some condescending fix it all ending (or worse a cynical depressing one). |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Aug 2, 8:39 AM
#21
Reply to yusamisa
I have to disagree a bit there.
I don't consider any of the children as villains as you said they're products of their environment. The real villains are neglectful parents that pushed their children to commit such heinous acts as Marina bullies Shizuka, Shikuza not caring about literal person dying and even committing kidnapping and Azuma helping conceal crime he well knows he shouldn't looking for some sort of appreciation in that.
If you look at the 5th episode despite everything, they all grew up in 2022 but that version of Marina killed her mother and that's why Takopi first went back. He wasn't the catalyst for that tragedy as it was already rooted that Marina's mother abused her daughter and even gave her scar. The second rewind the first ep, Takopi wasn't also the catalyst for Shizuka's suicide. Again it was Marina who took chappy, Shikuza's only source of love, away with the animal shelter. So we can conclude that Takopi went through two different timelines which both result in different tragedies but both happened not because of Takopii or his magic stuff. Basically stuff that would happen either way whether we see what happened through Takopi's eyes or not.
Here comes my problem with the ending. The two girls bonding over vague sense of dejavu of Takopi's drawing with Takopi's sacrifice. That's the annoying part. Takopi sacrifices himself, the girls same how talk/see the pain each went through off screen and they rely each other as survivors... happy ending. At least show me how they talk, how they start seeing each other beyond the hatred they have for each other. It just happened and we see them in future ''surviving, by relying on each other''. Let's also not forget the issues Marina's mother had towards Shizuka's mother, as if Marina's mother some how accepts Marina and Shizuka's friendship? What about Marina falling for Azuma only for him to fall for Shizuka. I mean the timeline has been reset no way Azuma is mature now/has the character development he had....or maybe he is mature now..? as we're shown that he fights with his brother when Takopi was narrating at the end? How did that happen?
All in All it's messy and not exactly proper. I don't want everything spelled out. The problem is that all the character development we had was present in the ending after the reset happened. The problem with time travel is that everything that happened before time traveling aside from the character that traveled is basically nonexistent, so when you give me an ending right after time travel, it doesn't work. Timeskip usually works but going back in time just doesn't. Everything has to happened again or at least all characters has to have that development they had present in the ending after the time travel. That's why it feels rushed and forced even. All that would be solved is Takopi was to show himself to both girls and them both seeing him together would have their reaction to the drawing feel more natural and even Takopi be their shared first step to seeing each other as survivors and potentially rely on each other. If Takopi appeared instead of drawing even for a several second and had a small impact on the characters, it would make more sense.
The probelm is the theme that author set for their story. If the theme was as you said, then make it natural not a fling of drawing getting two characters closer like magic.
I don't consider any of the children as villains as you said they're products of their environment. The real villains are neglectful parents that pushed their children to commit such heinous acts as Marina bullies Shizuka, Shikuza not caring about literal person dying and even committing kidnapping and Azuma helping conceal crime he well knows he shouldn't looking for some sort of appreciation in that.
If you look at the 5th episode despite everything, they all grew up in 2022 but that version of Marina killed her mother and that's why Takopi first went back. He wasn't the catalyst for that tragedy as it was already rooted that Marina's mother abused her daughter and even gave her scar. The second rewind the first ep, Takopi wasn't also the catalyst for Shizuka's suicide. Again it was Marina who took chappy, Shikuza's only source of love, away with the animal shelter. So we can conclude that Takopi went through two different timelines which both result in different tragedies but both happened not because of Takopii or his magic stuff. Basically stuff that would happen either way whether we see what happened through Takopi's eyes or not.
Here comes my problem with the ending. The two girls bonding over vague sense of dejavu of Takopi's drawing with Takopi's sacrifice. That's the annoying part. Takopi sacrifices himself, the girls same how talk/see the pain each went through off screen and they rely each other as survivors... happy ending. At least show me how they talk, how they start seeing each other beyond the hatred they have for each other. It just happened and we see them in future ''surviving, by relying on each other''. Let's also not forget the issues Marina's mother had towards Shizuka's mother, as if Marina's mother some how accepts Marina and Shizuka's friendship? What about Marina falling for Azuma only for him to fall for Shizuka. I mean the timeline has been reset no way Azuma is mature now/has the character development he had....or maybe he is mature now..? as we're shown that he fights with his brother when Takopi was narrating at the end? How did that happen?
All in All it's messy and not exactly proper. I don't want everything spelled out. The problem is that all the character development we had was present in the ending after the reset happened. The problem with time travel is that everything that happened before time traveling aside from the character that traveled is basically nonexistent, so when you give me an ending right after time travel, it doesn't work. Timeskip usually works but going back in time just doesn't. Everything has to happened again or at least all characters has to have that development they had present in the ending after the time travel. That's why it feels rushed and forced even. All that would be solved is Takopi was to show himself to both girls and them both seeing him together would have their reaction to the drawing feel more natural and even Takopi be their shared first step to seeing each other as survivors and potentially rely on each other. If Takopi appeared instead of drawing even for a several second and had a small impact on the characters, it would make more sense.
The probelm is the theme that author set for their story. If the theme was as you said, then make it natural not a fling of drawing getting two characters closer like magic.
| @yusamisa 2022 Marina killing her mother could not have happened without Takopis meddling though?. She says it herself in Episode 5 that she wouldn't have taken that path if it wasn't for Takopi and wouldn't have met Azuma which in turn wouldn't have led to her mother having a breakdown. 2016 Shizuka successfully commits suicide BECAUSE of Takopi's reconciliation ribbon. That is why Shizuka is alive in the 2022 timeline, the original rope she planned to use must've broken. Takopi's meddling DOES change the timeline and lead to further tragedy. Azuma's realization that he can rely on his brother is central to the story. It leads to episode 4's conclusion. The vague sense of dejavu occurs to Azuma too because his self before the final reset tells Takopi to relay the message "Don' be afraid to have fights with your brother" to his past self. Azuma likes Shizuka because he seeks validation from Shizuka, who happens to look like her mother. That isn't the case anymore 1. He can rely on his brother 2. We see him making friends instead of spending all his time studying What Takopi symbolizes is hope, even when he's beaten up by both Shizuka and Marina or berated by Azuma he still wishes to make them happy . He is the unwavering hope all three characters have in common. Azuma finds hope in his brother. Marina and Shizuka realize they have a lot in common with each other that they're victims of the same type of trauma so Shizuka and Marina find hope in each other. If you look at the final reset literally it does seem like magic brought together Marina and Shizuka. Those deja vus and Takopi are just symbolic representations of what they already had before Takopi's intervention, they were only left to be realized which the author uses Takopi to address. |
Aug 2, 8:54 AM
#22
Nirinbo said: I heard several times that the ending was disappointing, and that's exactly why I was 100% sure it was going to be a good one even before watching the last episode. I actually got "disappointed" that the ending wasn't disappointing at all. I really enjoyed it! |
| If an otaku in Springfield sees the "Moe's Bar" sign, wouldn't he mistake it for a Maid Café? |
Aug 2, 8:59 AM
#23
Reply to Zoathhh
@yusamisa
2022 Marina killing her mother could not have happened without Takopis meddling though?. She says it herself in Episode 5 that she wouldn't have taken that path if it wasn't for Takopi and wouldn't have met Azuma which in turn wouldn't have led to her mother having a breakdown.
2016 Shizuka successfully commits suicide BECAUSE of Takopi's reconciliation ribbon. That is why Shizuka is alive in the 2022 timeline, the original rope she planned to use must've broken.
Takopi's meddling DOES change the timeline and lead to further tragedy.
Azuma's realization that he can rely on his brother is central to the story. It leads to episode 4's conclusion.
The vague sense of dejavu occurs to Azuma too because his self before the final reset tells Takopi to relay the message "Don' be afraid to have fights with your brother" to his past self. Azuma likes Shizuka because he seeks validation from Shizuka, who happens to look like her mother. That isn't the case anymore
1. He can rely on his brother
2. We see him making friends instead of spending all his time studying
What Takopi symbolizes is hope, even when he's beaten up by both Shizuka and Marina or berated by Azuma he still wishes to make them happy . He is the unwavering hope all three characters have in common. Azuma finds hope in his brother. Marina and Shizuka realize they have a lot in common with each other that they're victims of the same type of trauma so Shizuka and Marina find hope in each other. If you look at the final reset literally it does seem like magic brought together Marina and Shizuka. Those deja vus and Takopi are just symbolic representations of what they already had before Takopi's intervention, they were only left to be realized which the author uses Takopi to address.
2022 Marina killing her mother could not have happened without Takopis meddling though?. She says it herself in Episode 5 that she wouldn't have taken that path if it wasn't for Takopi and wouldn't have met Azuma which in turn wouldn't have led to her mother having a breakdown.
2016 Shizuka successfully commits suicide BECAUSE of Takopi's reconciliation ribbon. That is why Shizuka is alive in the 2022 timeline, the original rope she planned to use must've broken.
Takopi's meddling DOES change the timeline and lead to further tragedy.
Azuma's realization that he can rely on his brother is central to the story. It leads to episode 4's conclusion.
The vague sense of dejavu occurs to Azuma too because his self before the final reset tells Takopi to relay the message "Don' be afraid to have fights with your brother" to his past self. Azuma likes Shizuka because he seeks validation from Shizuka, who happens to look like her mother. That isn't the case anymore
1. He can rely on his brother
2. We see him making friends instead of spending all his time studying
What Takopi symbolizes is hope, even when he's beaten up by both Shizuka and Marina or berated by Azuma he still wishes to make them happy . He is the unwavering hope all three characters have in common. Azuma finds hope in his brother. Marina and Shizuka realize they have a lot in common with each other that they're victims of the same type of trauma so Shizuka and Marina find hope in each other. If you look at the final reset literally it does seem like magic brought together Marina and Shizuka. Those deja vus and Takopi are just symbolic representations of what they already had before Takopi's intervention, they were only left to be realized which the author uses Takopi to address.
| @Zoathhh good analysis, you understood everything, and I'm sure you enjoyed the story as much as I did. In fact, I'm very happy that most of those who responded to my post were able to see the virtues of the story. Thank you all. |
Aug 2, 10:14 AM
#24
| I think the ending is absolutely perfect. it is sad that there is controversy around it. it might be my favorite ending in all of fiction. this is what happens when viewers mistake the forest for the trees and expect the story to follow through with their unrealistic theories. and I am truly baffled by those who say it is a happy ending. it is far from happy. it just showed us a ray of hope at the end of the tunnel |
Aug 2, 10:17 AM
#25
Reply to FMmatron
I don't get how anyone can think that Shizuka and Marina becoming friends isn't a happy resolution for them after everything that happened. This is neither a tragic nor neutral ending or whatever, this was literally ending on a happy and hopeful note xD You don't need erase all the problems in their lives for a happy ending, their friendship is enough to be considered one.
| @FMmatron buddy the protagonist died. one of the most inspirational characters in fiction just died. how can that be a happy ending ? not just that, but their lives haven't become any better. it is just as bad as it was before. but at least they aren't alone anymore. |
Aug 2, 10:21 AM
#26
| What I like how Takopii kept saying that if they talk it through they would understand each other in the beginning. The octopus drawing at the end gave them that chance. Basically the solution to their problems (or everyone's problem?) was already there, they just need a little push. Azuma speaking to his brother (who always approaching him), Shizuka and Marina's similar situations (my mother suck but not as much as your parents comment after credit) |
Aug 2, 10:21 AM
#27
Reply to yusamisa
I have to disagree a bit there.
I don't consider any of the children as villains as you said they're products of their environment. The real villains are neglectful parents that pushed their children to commit such heinous acts as Marina bullies Shizuka, Shikuza not caring about literal person dying and even committing kidnapping and Azuma helping conceal crime he well knows he shouldn't looking for some sort of appreciation in that.
If you look at the 5th episode despite everything, they all grew up in 2022 but that version of Marina killed her mother and that's why Takopi first went back. He wasn't the catalyst for that tragedy as it was already rooted that Marina's mother abused her daughter and even gave her scar. The second rewind the first ep, Takopi wasn't also the catalyst for Shizuka's suicide. Again it was Marina who took chappy, Shikuza's only source of love, away with the animal shelter. So we can conclude that Takopi went through two different timelines which both result in different tragedies but both happened not because of Takopii or his magic stuff. Basically stuff that would happen either way whether we see what happened through Takopi's eyes or not.
Here comes my problem with the ending. The two girls bonding over vague sense of dejavu of Takopi's drawing with Takopi's sacrifice. That's the annoying part. Takopi sacrifices himself, the girls same how talk/see the pain each went through off screen and they rely each other as survivors... happy ending. At least show me how they talk, how they start seeing each other beyond the hatred they have for each other. It just happened and we see them in future ''surviving, by relying on each other''. Let's also not forget the issues Marina's mother had towards Shizuka's mother, as if Marina's mother some how accepts Marina and Shizuka's friendship? What about Marina falling for Azuma only for him to fall for Shizuka. I mean the timeline has been reset no way Azuma is mature now/has the character development he had....or maybe he is mature now..? as we're shown that he fights with his brother when Takopi was narrating at the end? How did that happen?
All in All it's messy and not exactly proper. I don't want everything spelled out. The problem is that all the character development we had was present in the ending after the reset happened. The problem with time travel is that everything that happened before time traveling aside from the character that traveled is basically nonexistent, so when you give me an ending right after time travel, it doesn't work. Timeskip usually works but going back in time just doesn't. Everything has to happened again or at least all characters has to have that development they had present in the ending after the time travel. That's why it feels rushed and forced even. All that would be solved is Takopi was to show himself to both girls and them both seeing him together would have their reaction to the drawing feel more natural and even Takopi be their shared first step to seeing each other as survivors and potentially rely on each other. If Takopi appeared instead of drawing even for a several second and had a small impact on the characters, it would make more sense.
The probelm is the theme that author set for their story. If the theme was as you said, then make it natural not a fling of drawing getting two characters closer like magic.
I don't consider any of the children as villains as you said they're products of their environment. The real villains are neglectful parents that pushed their children to commit such heinous acts as Marina bullies Shizuka, Shikuza not caring about literal person dying and even committing kidnapping and Azuma helping conceal crime he well knows he shouldn't looking for some sort of appreciation in that.
If you look at the 5th episode despite everything, they all grew up in 2022 but that version of Marina killed her mother and that's why Takopi first went back. He wasn't the catalyst for that tragedy as it was already rooted that Marina's mother abused her daughter and even gave her scar. The second rewind the first ep, Takopi wasn't also the catalyst for Shizuka's suicide. Again it was Marina who took chappy, Shikuza's only source of love, away with the animal shelter. So we can conclude that Takopi went through two different timelines which both result in different tragedies but both happened not because of Takopii or his magic stuff. Basically stuff that would happen either way whether we see what happened through Takopi's eyes or not.
Here comes my problem with the ending. The two girls bonding over vague sense of dejavu of Takopi's drawing with Takopi's sacrifice. That's the annoying part. Takopi sacrifices himself, the girls same how talk/see the pain each went through off screen and they rely each other as survivors... happy ending. At least show me how they talk, how they start seeing each other beyond the hatred they have for each other. It just happened and we see them in future ''surviving, by relying on each other''. Let's also not forget the issues Marina's mother had towards Shizuka's mother, as if Marina's mother some how accepts Marina and Shizuka's friendship? What about Marina falling for Azuma only for him to fall for Shizuka. I mean the timeline has been reset no way Azuma is mature now/has the character development he had....or maybe he is mature now..? as we're shown that he fights with his brother when Takopi was narrating at the end? How did that happen?
All in All it's messy and not exactly proper. I don't want everything spelled out. The problem is that all the character development we had was present in the ending after the reset happened. The problem with time travel is that everything that happened before time traveling aside from the character that traveled is basically nonexistent, so when you give me an ending right after time travel, it doesn't work. Timeskip usually works but going back in time just doesn't. Everything has to happened again or at least all characters has to have that development they had present in the ending after the time travel. That's why it feels rushed and forced even. All that would be solved is Takopi was to show himself to both girls and them both seeing him together would have their reaction to the drawing feel more natural and even Takopi be their shared first step to seeing each other as survivors and potentially rely on each other. If Takopi appeared instead of drawing even for a several second and had a small impact on the characters, it would make more sense.
The probelm is the theme that author set for their story. If the theme was as you said, then make it natural not a fling of drawing getting two characters closer like magic.
| @yusamisa I think you are just missing the point this reset was obviously different. it is not just a vague dejavu. it is an overlapping of the timelines and a showcase of takopii's sacrifice on the world. all of his struggle and hopes were passed into them. his relationship with the two girls and the way he understood them is what led to the scene at the end. it is not just a drawing. it is a drawing that hold a lot of weight. the weight of the whole story. |
Aug 2, 10:28 AM
#28
| What I'm looking answer for is how Shizuka and Marina made up afterwards. I mean, in Takopi's first attempt with Shizuka, he didn't interfere with her life, but Shizuka got bullied and tried to commit suicide regardless. And since Takopi's not here anymore, it should've gone by the same route. Now, there's one thing that's different this time. It's that, they all have a vague memory of Takopi, not actual memory, but something they all have in common. Which made Marina to act kinda different towards Shizuka for the first time. But how can their entire relationship change because of that? |
Aug 2, 10:30 AM
#29
Reply to omarnewgate24
@FMmatron buddy
the protagonist died. one of the most inspirational characters in fiction just died. how can that be a happy ending ? not just that, but their lives haven't become any better. it is just as bad as it was before. but at least they aren't alone anymore.
the protagonist died. one of the most inspirational characters in fiction just died. how can that be a happy ending ? not just that, but their lives haven't become any better. it is just as bad as it was before. but at least they aren't alone anymore.
| @omarnewgate24 It's a bittersweet ending, yet a happy one for Marina and Shizuka. You gotta see it in relation to how things were before. Happy ending doesn't necessarily mean everything is perfect all of a sudden. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
Aug 2, 10:34 AM
#30
Reply to FMmatron
@omarnewgate24
It's a bittersweet ending, yet a happy one for Marina and Shizuka. You gotta see it in relation to how things were before. Happy ending doesn't necessarily mean everything is perfect all of a sudden.
It's a bittersweet ending, yet a happy one for Marina and Shizuka. You gotta see it in relation to how things were before. Happy ending doesn't necessarily mean everything is perfect all of a sudden.
| @FMmatron I mean if we separated it using "for" we can turn any ending into a happy ending. I would say it is a hopeful ending. but happy is another topic |
Aug 2, 10:39 AM
#31
Reply to omarnewgate24
@FMmatron I mean if we separated it using "for" we can turn any ending into a happy ending.
I would say it is a hopeful ending. but happy is another topic
I would say it is a hopeful ending. but happy is another topic
| @omarnewgate24 Not really, there are definitely endings where everything turned to shit with no hope and one hell of a depressing note. Like this one comes to mind for instance https://myanimelist.net/anime/529/Saishuu_Heiki_Kanojo?q=She%20ultimate%20&cat=anime And compared to all the bullying before or Shizuka and Marina being dead it's pretty much overwhelmingly positive that they're alive and friends now. At least in that one regard. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
Aug 2, 10:46 AM
#32
Reply to yusamisa
I have to disagree a bit there.
I don't consider any of the children as villains as you said they're products of their environment. The real villains are neglectful parents that pushed their children to commit such heinous acts as Marina bullies Shizuka, Shikuza not caring about literal person dying and even committing kidnapping and Azuma helping conceal crime he well knows he shouldn't looking for some sort of appreciation in that.
If you look at the 5th episode despite everything, they all grew up in 2022 but that version of Marina killed her mother and that's why Takopi first went back. He wasn't the catalyst for that tragedy as it was already rooted that Marina's mother abused her daughter and even gave her scar. The second rewind the first ep, Takopi wasn't also the catalyst for Shizuka's suicide. Again it was Marina who took chappy, Shikuza's only source of love, away with the animal shelter. So we can conclude that Takopi went through two different timelines which both result in different tragedies but both happened not because of Takopii or his magic stuff. Basically stuff that would happen either way whether we see what happened through Takopi's eyes or not.
Here comes my problem with the ending. The two girls bonding over vague sense of dejavu of Takopi's drawing with Takopi's sacrifice. That's the annoying part. Takopi sacrifices himself, the girls same how talk/see the pain each went through off screen and they rely each other as survivors... happy ending. At least show me how they talk, how they start seeing each other beyond the hatred they have for each other. It just happened and we see them in future ''surviving, by relying on each other''. Let's also not forget the issues Marina's mother had towards Shizuka's mother, as if Marina's mother some how accepts Marina and Shizuka's friendship? What about Marina falling for Azuma only for him to fall for Shizuka. I mean the timeline has been reset no way Azuma is mature now/has the character development he had....or maybe he is mature now..? as we're shown that he fights with his brother when Takopi was narrating at the end? How did that happen?
All in All it's messy and not exactly proper. I don't want everything spelled out. The problem is that all the character development we had was present in the ending after the reset happened. The problem with time travel is that everything that happened before time traveling aside from the character that traveled is basically nonexistent, so when you give me an ending right after time travel, it doesn't work. Timeskip usually works but going back in time just doesn't. Everything has to happened again or at least all characters has to have that development they had present in the ending after the time travel. That's why it feels rushed and forced even. All that would be solved is Takopi was to show himself to both girls and them both seeing him together would have their reaction to the drawing feel more natural and even Takopi be their shared first step to seeing each other as survivors and potentially rely on each other. If Takopi appeared instead of drawing even for a several second and had a small impact on the characters, it would make more sense.
The probelm is the theme that author set for their story. If the theme was as you said, then make it natural not a fling of drawing getting two characters closer like magic.
I don't consider any of the children as villains as you said they're products of their environment. The real villains are neglectful parents that pushed their children to commit such heinous acts as Marina bullies Shizuka, Shikuza not caring about literal person dying and even committing kidnapping and Azuma helping conceal crime he well knows he shouldn't looking for some sort of appreciation in that.
If you look at the 5th episode despite everything, they all grew up in 2022 but that version of Marina killed her mother and that's why Takopi first went back. He wasn't the catalyst for that tragedy as it was already rooted that Marina's mother abused her daughter and even gave her scar. The second rewind the first ep, Takopi wasn't also the catalyst for Shizuka's suicide. Again it was Marina who took chappy, Shikuza's only source of love, away with the animal shelter. So we can conclude that Takopi went through two different timelines which both result in different tragedies but both happened not because of Takopii or his magic stuff. Basically stuff that would happen either way whether we see what happened through Takopi's eyes or not.
Here comes my problem with the ending. The two girls bonding over vague sense of dejavu of Takopi's drawing with Takopi's sacrifice. That's the annoying part. Takopi sacrifices himself, the girls same how talk/see the pain each went through off screen and they rely each other as survivors... happy ending. At least show me how they talk, how they start seeing each other beyond the hatred they have for each other. It just happened and we see them in future ''surviving, by relying on each other''. Let's also not forget the issues Marina's mother had towards Shizuka's mother, as if Marina's mother some how accepts Marina and Shizuka's friendship? What about Marina falling for Azuma only for him to fall for Shizuka. I mean the timeline has been reset no way Azuma is mature now/has the character development he had....or maybe he is mature now..? as we're shown that he fights with his brother when Takopi was narrating at the end? How did that happen?
All in All it's messy and not exactly proper. I don't want everything spelled out. The problem is that all the character development we had was present in the ending after the reset happened. The problem with time travel is that everything that happened before time traveling aside from the character that traveled is basically nonexistent, so when you give me an ending right after time travel, it doesn't work. Timeskip usually works but going back in time just doesn't. Everything has to happened again or at least all characters has to have that development they had present in the ending after the time travel. That's why it feels rushed and forced even. All that would be solved is Takopi was to show himself to both girls and them both seeing him together would have their reaction to the drawing feel more natural and even Takopi be their shared first step to seeing each other as survivors and potentially rely on each other. If Takopi appeared instead of drawing even for a several second and had a small impact on the characters, it would make more sense.
The probelm is the theme that author set for their story. If the theme was as you said, then make it natural not a fling of drawing getting two characters closer like magic.
| @yusamisa Since others have already pointed out why you're wrong, I just want to comment on the last 2 paragraph. You want the show to drag the ending by showing us how they get close or how Azuma get better but they don't need to because we're already shown that. Azuma is easy because he literally had a talk with his brother (when he was about to take the fall for Shizuka). He thouht that no one care about him but turn out that person is closer than he thought, his own brother. We see him reflected on all of that when he met Takopii at the end and when he told Takopii to send a message to his past self if he ever has the chance. We already see the conclusion to the "don't be afraid to fight with your brother" in this timeline. NO NEED to do that again. For Shizuka and Marina, from both timeline we KNOW that they're capable of kindness. Marina is happy when she dated Azuma and thanked Takopii for being by her side. Shizuka released the 2 childrens (they are found safe) and genuinely thought Tokapii as a friend at the end. See the commonality? Now replace Takopii with Shizuka and Marina for each other. His sacrifice at the end gave them a chance to talk and be there for each other. We don't need to see how they work it out because we KNOW they can. There's no need to show it again cause we've already been shown exactly that. One more thing, It's not a happy ending, a bittersweet one more likely or a hopeful one. Azuma is probably still disappointed by his mother but at least he had friends and his brother now. Marina mother still sucks, parent probably divorsed. Shizuka's dad still not her dad, her mother is still a hooker probably. But hey at least they don't take their own life anymore and that's good. |
thanh9535Aug 2, 10:53 AM
Aug 4, 4:29 PM
#33
| I just wanted to say that thanks for your comments, it made me enjoy even more this anime. For me it's a bit hard looking objectively this anime without putting my emotions in the middle because it take such real and hard matters of relations with family parents and firends that hurts (but in a nececary way), so thanks for giving your calm point of view. |
Aug 5, 3:56 PM
#34
Reply to BEaSTPadwal15
OziDB said:
The deja vu isn't a memory;
The deja vu isn't a memory;
OziDB said:
it's a scar of empathy. It's the echo of having unconsciously seen the misery in each other's eyes. Shizuka and Marina deciding to walk together doesn't mean they're suddenly besties and all is forgiven. It means that, in a world that has left them utterly alone, they recognize each other as fellow survivors. They are choosing to face their bleak reality together instead of apart.
The ending isn't "life is beautiful." The ending is "life goes on, and it deserves to be lived despite everything." It's a message of resilience, of forced maturity, and of the hope that can be born not from happiness, but from shared pain.
it's a scar of empathy. It's the echo of having unconsciously seen the misery in each other's eyes. Shizuka and Marina deciding to walk together doesn't mean they're suddenly besties and all is forgiven. It means that, in a world that has left them utterly alone, they recognize each other as fellow survivors. They are choosing to face their bleak reality together instead of apart.
The ending isn't "life is beautiful." The ending is "life goes on, and it deserves to be lived despite everything." It's a message of resilience, of forced maturity, and of the hope that can be born not from happiness, but from shared pain.
Thank you for that explanation! It was the only thing I didn't quite understand. I absolutely loved this series start to end. Altho I was shivering for most of it.
| @BEaSTPadwal15 imo there's a more logical explanation to that, their parallel versions memories of Takopii linked with them, Marina may have survive if helped arrive early |
Aug 6, 9:08 AM
#35
Reply to Haunt88
@BEaSTPadwal15 imo there's a more logical explanation to that, their parallel versions memories of Takopii linked with them, Marina may have survive if helped arrive early
| @Haunt88 That makes sense as well |
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