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Jul 22, 2021 5:46 PM
#51
ShibitoMatuzaka said: How am I getting weird reads for bringing up a possibility? Because you're completly misunderstanding everything that is happening and for some reason think the villians are the good guys. You fail to take in any of my input and just ignore it and go 'well someone said "fake news" so that means these japanese creators are commenting on the american political landscape in order to push an anti-vax agenda'. You're a crazy person, stories about kids getting isekaid is very common, and commenting on the leadership and rebuilding of society and conflict exisitng is super common. It's a lot like Log Horizon, where we see people try to establish an economy and system in this world with different rules, and some people want to abuse that power. A story like this could come out of any time, it is not commenting on current issues, you're getting a weird read cause stuff is weird right now. But just cause the news is always talking about it doesn't mean fiction is, some people just wanna makes the stories they wanna make regardless of what's going on IRL, it's not all connected. Symbolisim is pretty easy to get if you just pay attention, if this was about anti-vaxx and american politics, it would be pretty obvious, this is a massive stretch. That's why it's a weird read, presenting posibilties is fine, but being a crazy person who ignores others input, is not. If you had just actually read what I said and made a real responsinse instead of trying to force your interprtation of the work onto me, then I wouldn't of needed to call you out. |
| LOL, your opinion is wrong! |
Jul 22, 2021 6:01 PM
#52
| OP is part of the ccp government. |
Jul 24, 2021 8:00 PM
#54
| no you're just paranoid |
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Jul 25, 2021 2:24 AM
#55
| bro what the fuck are you on about |
Jul 25, 2021 3:52 PM
#56
| this is a huge stretch |
Jul 25, 2021 4:11 PM
#57
ShibitoMatuzaka said: deg said: anyway the first episode is about the political compass that is authoritarian vs libertarian ideology sure you can apply the politics of vaccine right now in real life on it but its not specifically about vaccines lol At least you're admitting there's a connection that can be made here. At the same time, there's no reason for any of us to say definitively what this anime is about. So, I don't know why majority are completely eliminating the idea as if they know. That said this story being based off current political mandates seems highly likely. the thing is where even is the vaccines in the show? that makes your post so confusing and exaggerating |
Jul 25, 2021 5:54 PM
#58
deg said: ShibitoMatuzaka said: deg said: anyway the first episode is about the political compass that is authoritarian vs libertarian ideology sure you can apply the politics of vaccine right now in real life on it but its not specifically about vaccines lol At least you're admitting there's a connection that can be made here. At the same time, there's no reason for any of us to say definitively what this anime is about. So, I don't know why majority are completely eliminating the idea as if they know. That said this story being based off current political mandates seems highly likely. the thing is where even is the vaccines in the show? that makes your post so confusing and exaggerating Using words like "vibes" and "unlikely" is exaggerating? A bit of an exaggeration. Please read through the thread as I'm not going to re-explain everything to every new poster. |
Jul 28, 2021 10:45 AM
#60
JayBlue said: Did you get anti-Communism vibes from episode 2? Yes, but that was a mere rule on the Island. My thoughts on episode two can be found in post #43 of this thread. |
Jul 29, 2021 5:24 PM
#61
| It's clear this series is about politics, and the creators are trying to be clever by hiding it behind symbolism. I'm disappointed because I originally had high hopes for this anime and was rooting for Madhouse's return. Capitalism doesn't work for everyone, the same way communism doesn't work for everyone, but that doesn't mean you should demonize either sides for it. Not only is that risky, but it's going to rub people off the wrong way. Anyways I'm impressed that OP figured it out so quickly and stuck with their guns. |
neverendingredJul 29, 2021 5:32 PM
Jul 29, 2021 6:27 PM
#62
deg said: anyway the first episode is about the political compass that is authoritarian vs libertarian ideology sure you can apply the politics of vaccine right now in real life on it but its not specifically about vaccines lol neverendingred said: It's clear this series is about politics I don't think the anime is about politics stricto sensu (as in left/right, parties, ideologies, current events, vaccine denial, etc.) or capitalism at all. I think it's much more a metaphorical reflection about society, social interactions, more broadly: human beings live in society, impose arbitrary rules on one another that don't come from any definite source in particular (what is right and wrong, how to behave, what are the worthy goals to pursue etc.), assign arbitrary roles to each other, confer authority to some people for whatever reason, punish one another for ["perceivedly"] breaking the vague, arbitrary rules, live constrained to the environment and roles that they assume have been assigned to them, sometimes see beyond and defy those constraints and find other modes of life, other interpretations of the reality around them, ostracize or ignore those who are not well-regarded or connected, etc. All of these things could, of course, be seen as related to some specific current event, economic situations, or be called "political" or "politics", but only in the vaguest, most etymological way possible, and it seems reductionist and very specific (I think, for instance, that vaccine/mask rejection is a very 'Murica and other weird rich western countries thing, where people have been living without seeing anyone have polio for the past 30-40 years and can't conceive of having duties to one another in society, only rights and entitlements). As for capitalism: The most relatable character (to me and, from what I've seem, to many in comments in MAL) is the supposed capitalist and she makes a very good argument for the way things are. The anime seems much more to be showing how economic situations arise from social interactions instead of being a critique or defense of capitalism. All that I've seen in the anime is much less related to politics or current events than to the usual types of situations that everyone has to deal with on account of us being social animals, regardless of political "lateralization" or first-world country toddler tantrums or pet-peeves. |
nautilus64Jul 29, 2021 6:37 PM
Jul 29, 2021 7:00 PM
#63
nautilus64 said: deg said: anyway the first episode is about the political compass that is authoritarian vs libertarian ideology sure you can apply the politics of vaccine right now in real life on it but its not specifically about vaccines lol neverendingred said: It's clear this series is about politics I don't think the anime is about politics stricto sensu (as in left/right, parties, ideologies, current events, vaccine denial, etc.) or capitalism at all. I think it's much more a metaphorical reflection about society, social interactions, more broadly: human beings live in society, impose arbitrary rules on one another that don't come from any definite source in particular (what is right and wrong, how to behave, what are the worthy goals to pursue etc.), assign arbitrary roles to each other, confer authority to some people for whatever reason, punish one another for ["perceivedly"] breaking the vague, arbitrary rules, live constrained to the environment and roles that they assume have been assigned to them, sometimes see beyond and defy those constraints and find other modes of life, other interpretations of the reality around them, ostracize or ignore those who are not well-regarded or connected, etc. All of these things could, of course, be seen as related to some specific current event, economic situations, or be called "political" or "politics", but only in the vaguest, most etymological way possible, and it seems reductionist and very specific (I think, for instance, that vaccine/mask rejection is a very 'Murica and other weird rich western countries thing, where people have been living without seeing anyone have polio for the past 30-40 years and can't conceive of having duties to one another in society, only rights and entitlements). As for capitalism: The most relatable character (to me and, from what I've seem, to many in comments in MAL) is the supposed capitalist and she makes a very good argument for the way things are. The anime seems much more to be showing how economic situations arise from social interactions instead of being a critique or defense of capitalism. All that I've seen in the anime is much less related to politics or current events than to the usual types of situations that everyone has to deal with on account of us being social animals, regardless of political "lateralization" or first-world country toddler tantrums or pet-peeves. I'm very surprised you laid out this view point of yours and don't think this anime is at least political. |
Jul 29, 2021 7:42 PM
#64
nautilus64 said: deg said: anyway the first episode is about the political compass that is authoritarian vs libertarian ideology sure you can apply the politics of vaccine right now in real life on it but its not specifically about vaccines lol neverendingred said: It's clear this series is about politics I don't think the anime is about politics stricto sensu (as in left/right, parties, ideologies, current events, vaccine denial, etc.) or capitalism at all. I think it's much more a metaphorical reflection about society, social interactions, more broadly: human beings live in society, impose arbitrary rules on one another that don't come from any definite source in particular (what is right and wrong, how to behave, what are the worthy goals to pursue etc.), assign arbitrary roles to each other, confer authority to some people for whatever reason, punish one another for ["perceivedly"] breaking the vague, arbitrary rules, live constrained to the environment and roles that they assume have been assigned to them, sometimes see beyond and defy those constraints and find other modes of life, other interpretations of the reality around them, ostracize or ignore those who are not well-regarded or connected, etc. All of these things could, of course, be seen as related to some specific current event, economic situations, or be called "political" or "politics", but only in the vaguest, most etymological way possible, and it seems reductionist and very specific (I think, for instance, that vaccine/mask rejection is a very 'Murica and other weird rich western countries thing, where people have been living without seeing anyone have polio for the past 30-40 years and can't conceive of having duties to one another in society, only rights and entitlements). As for capitalism: The most relatable character (to me and, from what I've seem, to many in comments in MAL) is the supposed capitalist and she makes a very good argument for the way things are. The anime seems much more to be showing how economic situations arise from social interactions instead of being a critique or defense of capitalism. All that I've seen in the anime is much less related to politics or current events than to the usual types of situations that everyone has to deal with on account of us being social animals, regardless of political "lateralization" or first-world country toddler tantrums or pet-peeves. lol as long as there is society there is the social contract or government aka politics "we live in a society" is basically the show |
Jul 29, 2021 8:11 PM
#65
deg said: lol as long as there is society there is the social contract or government aka politics "we live in a society" is basically the show LOL, the show can talk about the general topic without being about the specific one. Not all talk about society is a talk about politics or government. Sociology and anthropology are things that exist, beyond political science. ShibitoMatuzaka said: I'm very surprised you laid out this view point of yours and don't think this anime is at least political. As I said, we can say it's political in the very broad sense, like "politics refers to the management of society", but I don't think it's about the more specific sense of "politics/political", which is the most common thing that comes to mind when people talk about politics, like "political mandates", "parties", "left/right", "the political landscape", "the current political climate" etc. The anime seems to me to be about the general, not the specific. I think it's clearer to avoid the broad sense of "political" when we can use the term "social", which seems to fit the level of the themes in the series better than "political" so far. Saying this anime is some kind of code talk for anti-vax, anti-mask, the opposition of capitalism to communism, or such things sounds borderline tin-foil-hat conspiratorial, trying to find hidden patterns or agendas in everything, when the simpler explanation is that the show is dealing with the broad, general social structure and relations, which can bring to mind all sorts of specific topics without necessarily being directly about them. |
nautilus64Jul 29, 2021 8:50 PM
Jul 29, 2021 8:57 PM
#66
nautilus64 said: deg said: lol as long as there is society there is the social contract or government aka politics "we live in a society" is basically the show LOL, the show can talk about the general topic without being about the specific one. Not all talk about society is a talk about politics or government. Sociology and anthropology are things that exist, beyond political science. ShibitoMatuzaka said: I'm very surprised you laid out this view point of yours and don't think this anime is at least political. As I said, we can say it's political in the very broad sense, like "politics refers to the management of society", but I don't think it's about the more specific sense of "politics/political", which is the most common thing that comes to mind when people talk about politics, like "political mandates", "parties", "left/right", "the political landscape", "the current political environment" etc. The anime seems to me to be about the general, not the specific. Saying this anime is some kind of code talk for anti-vax, the opposition of capitalism to communism, or such things sounds borderline tin-foil-hat conspiratorial, trying to find hidden patterns or agendas in everything, when the simpler explanation is that the show is dealing with the broad, general social structure and relations, which can bring to mind all sorts of specific topics without necessarily being directly about them. Your whole idea that this anime is political but not by design, although being politics ridden, however simultaneously rooted in the foundation of societal contracts is pretty confusing—and I disagree on it being the "simpler explanation". |
Jul 29, 2021 9:00 PM
#67
nautilus64 said: deg said: lol as long as there is society there is the social contract or government aka politics "we live in a society" is basically the show LOL, the show can talk about the general topic without being about the specific one. Not all talk about society is a talk about politics or government. Sociology and anthropology are things that exist, beyond political science. ShibitoMatuzaka said: I'm very surprised you laid out this view point of yours and don't think this anime is at least political. As I said, we can say it's political in the very broad sense, like "politics refers to the management of society", but I don't think it's about the more specific sense of "politics/political", which is the most common thing that comes to mind when people talk about politics, like "political mandates", "parties", "left/right", "the political landscape", "the current political climate" etc. The anime seems to me to be about the general, not the specific. I think it's clearer to avoid the broad sense of "political" when we can use the term "social", which seems to fit the level of the themes in the series better than "political" so far. Saying this anime is some kind of code talk for anti-vax, anti-mask, the opposition of capitalism to communism, or such things sounds borderline tin-foil-hat conspiratorial, trying to find hidden patterns or agendas in everything, when the simpler explanation is that the show is dealing with the broad, general social structure and relations, which can bring to mind all sorts of specific topics without necessarily being directly about them. ever since episode 1 they all talk about Rules of This World and that and rules are link with governing and politics but sure go ahead and include all of social science (political science, psychology, sociology, economics, etc) then |
Jul 29, 2021 9:12 PM
#68
| I agree with @nautilus64 in that this anime is not discussing politics as a field in and of itself. In my opinion, and I think I somewhat overlap with what @nautilus64 already said here, the anime is exploring the experience of the individual being confronted with This World, the same way we as human beings born into our current society are confronted by its realities. The supporting cast have various concerns. Some like Mizuho are bothered by unfairness, while Pony and Cap are worried about their futures (Cap is worried about his permanent record in the first episode. Pony is seen studying later that episode and is questioned by Hoshi, who clearly doesn't expect they'll ever go back to the real world. She also presumably wanted to win the Student Council elections for the sake of her future prospects or to live up to expectations from family or something like that). These are the concerns of individuals, not political in and of themselves. Fundamentally, the exploration of what various characters do in the situation, whatever society they build in absence of adults or whatever, is secondary to Nagara, the MC, who is key to the anime's actual central themes. What matters is what these experiences teach the characters about the world, not whatever fringe commentary on reality these might cause the viewers to assume is there. |
Jul 29, 2021 9:17 PM
#69
deg said: ever since episode 1 they all talk about Rules of This World and that and rules are link with governing and politics but sure go ahead and include all of social science (political science, psychology, sociology, economics, etc) then Sigh... I think you and I have basically the same impression about the show, but you call the general theme "politics" for some reason and I can't see why this is the word that you want to use. Some words are better able to convey certain concepts and I naively think that discourse is much clearer if words are used carefully to point more precisely at what is being discussed. In the end, I think, the fact is that we agree that the show is about people interacting and rules and stuff. << waves hands >> |
Jul 29, 2021 9:23 PM
#70
Reelens said: I agree with @nautilus64 in that this anime is not discussing politics as a field in and of itself. In my opinion, and I think I somewhat overlap with what @nautilus64 already said here, the anime is exploring the experience of the individual being confronted with This World, the same way we as human beings born into our current society are confronted by its realities. The supporting cast have various concerns. Some like Mizuho are bothered by unfairness, while Pony and Cap are worried about their futures (Cap is worried about his permanent record in the first episode. Pony is seen studying later that episode and is questioned by Hoshi, who clearly doesn't expect they'll ever go back to the real world. She also presumably wanted to win the Student Council elections for the sake of her future prospects or to live up to expectations from family or something like that). These are the concerns of individuals, not political in and of themselves. Fundamentally, the exploration of what various characters do in the situation, whatever society they build in absence of adults or whatever, is secondary to Nagara, the MC, who is key to the anime's actual central themes. What matters is what these experiences teach the characters about the world, not whatever fringe commentary on reality these might cause the viewers to assume is there. You said it way better than I could. My English-as-a-second-language and my "academic"/unnecessarily-formal way of expressing myself (autism?) prevent me from conveying my ideas adequately/intelligibly. Sorry to all involved. |
Jul 29, 2021 9:36 PM
#71
| I don't think my reply was any more coherent than yours, honestly. Yours was easy to understand and I had no issues reading it. English is also my second language, for what it's worth. |
Jul 29, 2021 9:46 PM
#72
| If you want current day commentary, The Drifting Classroom, which this anime seems to directly reference, does have an infectious disease epidemic in it. That manga about a school being placed in an empty, void world was published between 1972 and 74, though, so... If this show has anything like a spreading disease in it, I'm guessing it's more a reference to that than the real world, but that's just me. |
Jul 30, 2021 12:51 PM
#73
ShibitoMatuzaka said: In future episodes, I'm looking for the student council to form an alliance with the Scientist. There should be a disagreement between the Scientist and the free-willed girl. We'll see the Student Council backing the Scientist which clearly favors the council by allowing them to have more control. It seems this one aged poorly... apparently the scientist (I'd call him engineer, though) is not the CDC or Fauci, the student council is not the evil federal government, the free-willed girl is not the freedom-fighting militia with guns and the 2nd 'mendment against evil government and mask mandates, and this anime is not a metaphor for liberty in 'Murica... It's almost as if Japanese people creating this anime are not immersed in the insane cult-of-self Americans have, where it's inconceivable to think about having duties in society and people only recognize rights to do whatever they want, like pampered toddlers. |
nautilus64Jul 30, 2021 4:58 PM
Jul 30, 2021 12:55 PM
#74
| What? They were just rebelling against power abuse |
Jul 30, 2021 4:04 PM
#75
nautilus64 said: ShibitoMatuzaka said: In future episodes, I'm looking for the student council to form an alliance with the Scientist. There should be a disagreement between the Scientist and the free-willed girl. We'll see the Student Council backing the Scientist which clearly favors the council by allowing them to have more control. It seems this one aged poorly... apparently the scientist (I'd call him engineer, though) is not the CDC or Fauci, the student council is not the evil federal government, the free-willed girl is not the freedom-fighting militia with guns and the 2nd 'mendment against evil government and mask mandates, and this anime is not a metaphor for liberty in 'Murica... It's almost as if Japanese people creating this anime are not immersed in the insane cult of self Americans have, where it's inconceivable to think about having duties in society and people only recognize rights to do whatever they want, like pampered toddlers. First time an anime has ever had a reference of "Fake News" (Popularized by Donald Trump). It's way too soon to say, "It's aged poorly..." only three episodes in. |
Jul 31, 2021 1:22 AM
#76
| thank you SO MUCH I felt like crap today and the title made me burst out laughing, I feel great now |
Jul 31, 2021 1:50 AM
#77
ShibitoMatuzaka said: The term 'fake news' was popularized by Donald Trump, however I would argue that the term is ubiquitous for referring to false or misleading information, which occurs in all contexts not just political. Considering that no one in the show acts like a certain 45th president, then unless your really into that dog-whistle mysticism there's still nothing here. We can say that the anime is discussing broader topics and its interesting to see what happens when we apply events in the show to a specific political arguments, but I think its clear that the anime itself has not commented on any specific events.nautilus64 said: ShibitoMatuzaka said: In future episodes, I'm looking for the student council to form an alliance with the Scientist. There should be a disagreement between the Scientist and the free-willed girl. We'll see the Student Council backing the Scientist which clearly favors the council by allowing them to have more control. It seems this one aged poorly... apparently the scientist (I'd call him engineer, though) is not the CDC or Fauci, the student council is not the evil federal government, the free-willed girl is not the freedom-fighting militia with guns and the 2nd 'mendment against evil government and mask mandates, and this anime is not a metaphor for liberty in 'Murica... It's almost as if Japanese people creating this anime are not immersed in the insane cult of self Americans have, where it's inconceivable to think about having duties in society and people only recognize rights to do whatever they want, like pampered toddlers. First time an anime has ever had a reference of "Fake News" (Popularized by Donald Trump). It's way too soon to say, "It's aged poorly..." only three episodes in. |
Jul 31, 2021 1:59 AM
#78
| How am I getting weird reads for bringing up a possibility? [/quote] Maybe just stop digging yourself a hole, it might be interesting to talk about what people can apply this anime to. "What do you think (political event/topic) would look like in the anime?" However, you've framed your question as this end all be all, "the anime is about vaccines, even when later episodes don't follow I'm still hoping they go along with this" people are getting annoyed because your arguing for the sake of arguing since your original point is too full of holes to even be considered a submarine. |
Jul 31, 2021 4:33 AM
#79
Cerdon said: Maybe just stop digging yourself a hole, it might be interesting to talk about what people can apply this anime to. "What do you think (political event/topic) would look like in the anime?" However, you've framed your question as this end all be all, "the anime is about vaccines, even when later episodes don't follow I'm still hoping they go along with this" people are getting annoyed because your arguing for the sake of arguing since your original point is too full of holes to even be considered a submarine.[/quote]How am I getting weird reads for bringing up a possibility? Follow the thread. I've already back-pedaled on the anti-vaccines part ,admittedly, and have broadened it to being anti-mandates, as well as following our current practice of politicking. Allow me to expand by saying, politics currently is overly decisive. Much of the time they're focusing on how to portray data to fit their narrative. In regards to your other reply: Obviously "fake news" is going to mean "misinformation", but it's a term that was made popular here in the USA. |
Aug 5, 2021 10:37 AM
#80
ShibitoMatuzaka said: Eira_99 said: No, anti-vax sentiment isn't as prevelent in Japan as it is in America for starters, it does exist but not nearly to the same level. Secondly do you know how long anime take to make, espically an original like this, where all the writing, designs, and plot layout has to be made first and can't just be taken from a source material. I highly doubt that's what they were trying to say, it seems more like they just wanted to comment on power abuse. Which is made even more obvious if the watch the second episode. Yes, the 2nd episode didn't further the anti-vaccine (mandates) take like I was hoping. However, it doesn't count it out entirely. We have a group chat complaining of a rigged election. Then there was the mention of "Fake News" (At least in my subtitle translation) Lastly, the person who posted the information that wasn't in the student council's favor was immediately targeted. In future episodes, I'm looking for the student council to form an alliance with the Scientist. There should be a disagreement between the Scientist and the free-willed girl. We'll see the Student Council backing the Scientist which clearly favors the council by allowing them to have more control. We're getting close to the Student Council backing unfinished data from the Scientist. :D |
Aug 12, 2021 1:22 PM
#81
ShibitoMatuzaka said: ShibitoMatuzaka said: Eira_99 said: No, anti-vax sentiment isn't as prevelent in Japan as it is in America for starters, it does exist but not nearly to the same level. Secondly do you know how long anime take to make, espically an original like this, where all the writing, designs, and plot layout has to be made first and can't just be taken from a source material. I highly doubt that's what they were trying to say, it seems more like they just wanted to comment on power abuse. Which is made even more obvious if the watch the second episode. Yes, the 2nd episode didn't further the anti-vaccine (mandates) take like I was hoping. However, it doesn't count it out entirely. We have a group chat complaining of a rigged election. Then there was the mention of "Fake News" (At least in my subtitle translation) Lastly, the person who posted the information that wasn't in the student council's favor was immediately targeted. In future episodes, I'm looking for the student council to form an alliance with the Scientist. There should be a disagreement between the Scientist and the free-willed girl. We'll see the Student Council backing the Scientist which clearly favors the council by allowing them to have more control. We're getting close to the Student Council backing unfinished data from the Scientist. :D I'd love to hear how vaccine mandates and petty 'Murican conspiracies fit into episode 5. The scientist is still the evil CDC/Fauci helping the evil student council manufacture a false truth for the students to obey? |
Aug 16, 2021 7:24 PM
#82
| Can't believe I'd see an anti-vaxxer in an anime forum, lol. |
Aug 16, 2021 7:32 PM
#83
| I also love the fact that the OP is forcing their belief to this anime. Like making connections when there isn't |
Aug 16, 2021 8:51 PM
#84
| What in the flying fuck |
Aug 22, 2021 11:01 AM
#85
ShibitoMatuzaka said: ShibitoMatuzaka said: Eira_99 said: No, anti-vax sentiment isn't as prevelent in Japan as it is in America for starters, it does exist but not nearly to the same level. Secondly do you know how long anime take to make, espically an original like this, where all the writing, designs, and plot layout has to be made first and can't just be taken from a source material. I highly doubt that's what they were trying to say, it seems more like they just wanted to comment on power abuse. Which is made even more obvious if the watch the second episode. Yes, the 2nd episode didn't further the anti-vaccine (mandates) take like I was hoping. However, it doesn't count it out entirely. We have a group chat complaining of a rigged election. Then there was the mention of "Fake News" (At least in my subtitle translation) Lastly, the person who posted the information that wasn't in the student council's favor was immediately targeted. In future episodes, I'm looking for the student council to form an alliance with the Scientist. There should be a disagreement between the Scientist and the free-willed girl. We'll see the Student Council backing the Scientist which clearly favors the council by allowing them to have more control. We're getting close to the Student Council backing unfinished data from the Scientist. :D Ey, where the anti-vaccines in ep 6? |
Aug 22, 2021 9:41 PM
#86
Arshad-san said: ShibitoMatuzaka said: ShibitoMatuzaka said: Eira_99 said: No, anti-vax sentiment isn't as prevelent in Japan as it is in America for starters, it does exist but not nearly to the same level. Secondly do you know how long anime take to make, espically an original like this, where all the writing, designs, and plot layout has to be made first and can't just be taken from a source material. I highly doubt that's what they were trying to say, it seems more like they just wanted to comment on power abuse. Which is made even more obvious if the watch the second episode. Yes, the 2nd episode didn't further the anti-vaccine (mandates) take like I was hoping. However, it doesn't count it out entirely. We have a group chat complaining of a rigged election. Then there was the mention of "Fake News" (At least in my subtitle translation) Lastly, the person who posted the information that wasn't in the student council's favor was immediately targeted. In future episodes, I'm looking for the student council to form an alliance with the Scientist. There should be a disagreement between the Scientist and the free-willed girl. We'll see the Student Council backing the Scientist which clearly favors the council by allowing them to have more control. We're getting close to the Student Council backing unfinished data from the Scientist. :D Ey, where the anti-vaccines in ep 6? This episode through me through a loop--the dog especially. I just re-watched it for the sake of answering your question. In six, the only characters introducing rules on how to get home were Hoshi and the Dog. The dog insinuated that they have one-year to still have a chance to get back home, and later on in the episode admitted there was an eight month margin of error. Hoshi has been instructed that they won't get back home. He's been following the word of the old-man that's wheelchair bound. I'm not sure if this has been mentioned in any thread, but after rewatching episode six, I noticed Hoshi's face looked disappointed after the old-man asked if he (Hoshi) was being asked to guide them to salvation. Sure, he has the student council behind him, but they haven't asked to be saved by Hoshi. Also, they seem way more interested in the other groups' ideas on how to get home. It's making me think Hoshi is trying to align himself with the prophecy of this so called savior. There weren't any anti-mandate scenes this episode, but that doesn't mean I'm retiring the possibility just yet. It'll take next week's episode to decide since episode six went in a completely different direction than the previous five. |
Aug 22, 2021 10:45 PM
#87
ShibitoMatuzaka said: Arshad-san said: ShibitoMatuzaka said: ShibitoMatuzaka said: Eira_99 said: No, anti-vax sentiment isn't as prevelent in Japan as it is in America for starters, it does exist but not nearly to the same level. Secondly do you know how long anime take to make, espically an original like this, where all the writing, designs, and plot layout has to be made first and can't just be taken from a source material. I highly doubt that's what they were trying to say, it seems more like they just wanted to comment on power abuse. Which is made even more obvious if the watch the second episode. Yes, the 2nd episode didn't further the anti-vaccine (mandates) take like I was hoping. However, it doesn't count it out entirely. We have a group chat complaining of a rigged election. Then there was the mention of "Fake News" (At least in my subtitle translation) Lastly, the person who posted the information that wasn't in the student council's favor was immediately targeted. In future episodes, I'm looking for the student council to form an alliance with the Scientist. There should be a disagreement between the Scientist and the free-willed girl. We'll see the Student Council backing the Scientist which clearly favors the council by allowing them to have more control. We're getting close to the Student Council backing unfinished data from the Scientist. :D Ey, where the anti-vaccines in ep 6? This episode through me through a loop--the dog especially. I just re-watched it for the sake of answering your question. In six, the only characters introducing rules on how to get home were Hoshi and the Dog. The dog insinuated that they have one-year to still have a chance to get back home, and later on in the episode admitted there was an eight month margin of error. Nope, the dog is implying that they still have time because they've only spent 8 months in 'This World'. Meaning, if they go back into their original world, they'll still be alive. |
Aug 22, 2021 10:53 PM
#88
ShibitoMatuzaka said: Arshad-san said: ShibitoMatuzaka said: ShibitoMatuzaka said: Eira_99 said: No, anti-vax sentiment isn't as prevelent in Japan as it is in America for starters, it does exist but not nearly to the same level. Secondly do you know how long anime take to make, espically an original like this, where all the writing, designs, and plot layout has to be made first and can't just be taken from a source material. I highly doubt that's what they were trying to say, it seems more like they just wanted to comment on power abuse. Which is made even more obvious if the watch the second episode. Yes, the 2nd episode didn't further the anti-vaccine (mandates) take like I was hoping. However, it doesn't count it out entirely. We have a group chat complaining of a rigged election. Then there was the mention of "Fake News" (At least in my subtitle translation) Lastly, the person who posted the information that wasn't in the student council's favor was immediately targeted. In future episodes, I'm looking for the student council to form an alliance with the Scientist. There should be a disagreement between the Scientist and the free-willed girl. We'll see the Student Council backing the Scientist which clearly favors the council by allowing them to have more control. We're getting close to the Student Council backing unfinished data from the Scientist. :D Ey, where the anti-vaccines in ep 6? There weren't any anti-mandate scenes this episode, but that doesn't mean I'm retiring the possibility just yet. It'll take next week's episode to decide since episode six went in a completely different direction than the previous five. Also, there isn't a single scene about an anti-mandate in the past 5 episodes (even if there is, it's probably unintentional). Just accept the fact that this anime is Lord of the Flies, not about anti-vaccine or any anti-scientific believes, Lmao |
Aug 23, 2021 3:11 AM
#89
Arshad-san said: ShibitoMatuzaka said: Arshad-san said: ShibitoMatuzaka said: ShibitoMatuzaka said: Eira_99 said: No, anti-vax sentiment isn't as prevelent in Japan as it is in America for starters, it does exist but not nearly to the same level. Secondly do you know how long anime take to make, espically an original like this, where all the writing, designs, and plot layout has to be made first and can't just be taken from a source material. I highly doubt that's what they were trying to say, it seems more like they just wanted to comment on power abuse. Which is made even more obvious if the watch the second episode. Yes, the 2nd episode didn't further the anti-vaccine (mandates) take like I was hoping. However, it doesn't count it out entirely. We have a group chat complaining of a rigged election. Then there was the mention of "Fake News" (At least in my subtitle translation) Lastly, the person who posted the information that wasn't in the student council's favor was immediately targeted. In future episodes, I'm looking for the student council to form an alliance with the Scientist. There should be a disagreement between the Scientist and the free-willed girl. We'll see the Student Council backing the Scientist which clearly favors the council by allowing them to have more control. We're getting close to the Student Council backing unfinished data from the Scientist. :D Ey, where the anti-vaccines in ep 6? This episode through me through a loop--the dog especially. I just re-watched it for the sake of answering your question. In six, the only characters introducing rules on how to get home were Hoshi and the Dog. The dog insinuated that they have one-year to still have a chance to get back home, and later on in the episode admitted there was an eight month margin of error. Nope, the dog is implying that they still have time because they've only spent 8 months in 'This World'. Meaning, if they go back into their original world, they'll still be alive. Where do you feel like this was implied? because the dog also said he's been there for 5,000 years. |
Aug 23, 2021 8:24 AM
#90
ShibitoMatuzaka said: Arshad-san said: ShibitoMatuzaka said: Arshad-san said: ShibitoMatuzaka said: ShibitoMatuzaka said: Eira_99 said: No, anti-vax sentiment isn't as prevelent in Japan as it is in America for starters, it does exist but not nearly to the same level. Secondly do you know how long anime take to make, espically an original like this, where all the writing, designs, and plot layout has to be made first and can't just be taken from a source material. I highly doubt that's what they were trying to say, it seems more like they just wanted to comment on power abuse. Which is made even more obvious if the watch the second episode. Yes, the 2nd episode didn't further the anti-vaccine (mandates) take like I was hoping. However, it doesn't count it out entirely. We have a group chat complaining of a rigged election. Then there was the mention of "Fake News" (At least in my subtitle translation) Lastly, the person who posted the information that wasn't in the student council's favor was immediately targeted. In future episodes, I'm looking for the student council to form an alliance with the Scientist. There should be a disagreement between the Scientist and the free-willed girl. We'll see the Student Council backing the Scientist which clearly favors the council by allowing them to have more control. We're getting close to the Student Council backing unfinished data from the Scientist. :D Ey, where the anti-vaccines in ep 6? This episode through me through a loop--the dog especially. I just re-watched it for the sake of answering your question. In six, the only characters introducing rules on how to get home were Hoshi and the Dog. The dog insinuated that they have one-year to still have a chance to get back home, and later on in the episode admitted there was an eight month margin of error. Nope, the dog is implying that they still have time because they've only spent 8 months in 'This World'. Meaning, if they go back into their original world, they'll still be alive. Where do you feel like this was implied? because the dog also said he's been there for 5,000 years. When Mizuho and the dog had a small conversation near the end of the episode M: Hey, didn't you say there's still time? D: You can still try since it's only been eight months in your life. M: ... D: I don't stand a chance. This conversation implies that the dog don't have a chance of coming back to the original world because he had been staying there for 5000 years and is already dead in the original world. I think this is the reason why we heard someone said "You're useless now" to Nozomi after reaching the light, she's useless now because she's already dead in the original world and can't go back (we saw some students crying near the table with Nozomi's name and some flower, implying that she died (nvm, she said it in the episode, i just forgot lol)). This is how I personally understood the episode so take it with a grain of salt. |
Arshad-sanAug 23, 2021 9:07 AM
Aug 23, 2021 9:18 AM
#91
Arshad-san said: ShibitoMatuzaka said: Arshad-san said: ShibitoMatuzaka said: Arshad-san said: ShibitoMatuzaka said: ShibitoMatuzaka said: Eira_99 said: No, anti-vax sentiment isn't as prevelent in Japan as it is in America for starters, it does exist but not nearly to the same level. Secondly do you know how long anime take to make, espically an original like this, where all the writing, designs, and plot layout has to be made first and can't just be taken from a source material. I highly doubt that's what they were trying to say, it seems more like they just wanted to comment on power abuse. Which is made even more obvious if the watch the second episode. Yes, the 2nd episode didn't further the anti-vaccine (mandates) take like I was hoping. However, it doesn't count it out entirely. We have a group chat complaining of a rigged election. Then there was the mention of "Fake News" (At least in my subtitle translation) Lastly, the person who posted the information that wasn't in the student council's favor was immediately targeted. In future episodes, I'm looking for the student council to form an alliance with the Scientist. There should be a disagreement between the Scientist and the free-willed girl. We'll see the Student Council backing the Scientist which clearly favors the council by allowing them to have more control. We're getting close to the Student Council backing unfinished data from the Scientist. :D Ey, where the anti-vaccines in ep 6? This episode through me through a loop--the dog especially. I just re-watched it for the sake of answering your question. In six, the only characters introducing rules on how to get home were Hoshi and the Dog. The dog insinuated that they have one-year to still have a chance to get back home, and later on in the episode admitted there was an eight month margin of error. Nope, the dog is implying that they still have time because they've only spent 8 months in 'This World'. Meaning, if they go back into their original world, they'll still be alive. Where do you feel like this was implied? because the dog also said he's been there for 5,000 years. When Mizuho and the dog had a small conversation near the end of the episode M: Hey, didn't you say there's still time? D: You can still try since it's only been eight months in your life. M: ... D: I don't stand a chance. This conversation implies that the dog don't have a chance of coming back to the original world because he had been staying there for 5000 years and is already dead in the original world. I think this is the reason why we heard someone said "You're useless now" to Nozomi after reaching the light, she's useless now because she's already dead in the original world and can't go back (we saw some students crying near the table with Nozomi's name and some flower, implying that she died). This is how I personally understood the episode so take it with a grain of salt. In my translation, the dog says, "Eight months fits within the margin of error of life. There's no chance left for me though." Before we can trust this character, I want to know what made him turn into a dog. Could be a rule of the island that sputtering nonsense turned him into a dog at some point. |
Aug 23, 2021 9:38 PM
#92
ShibitoMatuzaka said: Arshad-san said: ShibitoMatuzaka said: Arshad-san said: ShibitoMatuzaka said: Arshad-san said: ShibitoMatuzaka said: ShibitoMatuzaka said: Eira_99 said: No, anti-vax sentiment isn't as prevelent in Japan as it is in America for starters, it does exist but not nearly to the same level. Secondly do you know how long anime take to make, espically an original like this, where all the writing, designs, and plot layout has to be made first and can't just be taken from a source material. I highly doubt that's what they were trying to say, it seems more like they just wanted to comment on power abuse. Which is made even more obvious if the watch the second episode. Yes, the 2nd episode didn't further the anti-vaccine (mandates) take like I was hoping. However, it doesn't count it out entirely. We have a group chat complaining of a rigged election. Then there was the mention of "Fake News" (At least in my subtitle translation) Lastly, the person who posted the information that wasn't in the student council's favor was immediately targeted. In future episodes, I'm looking for the student council to form an alliance with the Scientist. There should be a disagreement between the Scientist and the free-willed girl. We'll see the Student Council backing the Scientist which clearly favors the council by allowing them to have more control. We're getting close to the Student Council backing unfinished data from the Scientist. :D Ey, where the anti-vaccines in ep 6? This episode through me through a loop--the dog especially. I just re-watched it for the sake of answering your question. In six, the only characters introducing rules on how to get home were Hoshi and the Dog. The dog insinuated that they have one-year to still have a chance to get back home, and later on in the episode admitted there was an eight month margin of error. Nope, the dog is implying that they still have time because they've only spent 8 months in 'This World'. Meaning, if they go back into their original world, they'll still be alive. Where do you feel like this was implied? because the dog also said he's been there for 5,000 years. When Mizuho and the dog had a small conversation near the end of the episode M: Hey, didn't you say there's still time? D: You can still try since it's only been eight months in your life. M: ... D: I don't stand a chance. This conversation implies that the dog don't have a chance of coming back to the original world because he had been staying there for 5000 years and is already dead in the original world. I think this is the reason why we heard someone said "You're useless now" to Nozomi after reaching the light, she's useless now because she's already dead in the original world and can't go back (we saw some students crying near the table with Nozomi's name and some flower, implying that she died). This is how I personally understood the episode so take it with a grain of salt. In my translation, the dog says, "Eight months fits within the margin of error of life. There's no chance left for me though." The "margin of error of life" in this context means lifespan. The dog is saying that 8 months fits in their lifespan so they still have a chance. |
Arshad-sanAug 23, 2021 9:48 PM
Aug 24, 2021 12:08 AM
#93
Arshad-san said: The "margin of error of life" in this context means lifespan. The dog is saying that 8 months fits in their lifespan so they still have a chance. This is not implied, no. He's saying he's been split off from normal life for too long, that there isn't a strong connection. It has nothing to do with lifespan, and more to do with him as a person. |
Aug 27, 2021 5:01 AM
#94
Reelens said: Arshad-san said: The "margin of error of life" in this context means lifespan. The dog is saying that 8 months fits in their lifespan so they still have a chance. This is not implied, no. He's saying he's been split off from normal life for too long, that there isn't a strong connection. It has nothing to do with lifespan, and more to do with him as a person. Then what's the point of showing Nozomi dying? What's the meaning of "margin of error of life" in this context? Why did the dog said that they can still try because it's only been 8 months of their life (in the translation I've watch)? I guess I'll have to wait for the next episode. Also, sorry if I took long enough to reply. |
Aug 27, 2021 7:54 PM
#95
| Well the episode didn't answer any of my question. Anyway, the last episode still doesn't have any anti-vaccine shit. |
Aug 27, 2021 8:26 PM
#96
Arshad-san said: Well the episode didn't answer any of my question. Anyway, the last episode still doesn't have any anti-vaccine shit. This whole multiverse storyline was definitely unexpected. Hoshi and the Student Council has also become more understanding and tame...or have they? |
Oct 21, 2:14 PM
#98
| How did this theory hold up? |
Nov 9, 11:34 PM
#99
| Well that's certainly an interesting idea. I saw it more as authoritarian vs libertarian. I don't think it's trying to paint the three council members as evil (anti vaccine as you see) people, it's just a clash of viewpoints. |
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