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BananasInPajamas said: WTF, Miria lived as one of the most intelligent claymores and died as a schizo?! The hell. If you're going to kill off a character as awesome as Miria, at least do it with style! Graaaahhh!! X-(
I totally feel your pain- but style wise- no other claymore in the series besides miria got jumped by THAT many claymores in the end- I'd say that her death, in a twisted fashion, was somewhat spectacular-
whoa that was a messed up death. this is why claymore is good, it's not like the other bullshit shonen's where the author is too scared to kill of characters, much less this way. the only people that would hate yagi for killing miria off are wanking fanboys.
Everyone is so shell shocked by Miria's death, but has anyone brought up anything about wtf happened to Clare? I mean, it's obvious she's in that black thing but how exactly. Is she part of it now and has some control? (It started attacking Priscilla when she was attacking den and helen) Will she be able to come out of it with a full body? (As she was missing the bottom half of her body)
I mean, it's highly likely she'll survive since she is our main character but you really can't be certain of these things with the author (Forget his name atm, sorry). This could be the end. It could end next chapter with Clare dead but sacrificing her life to destroy priscilla and the black thing with one stone.
YuniYasha said: Everyone is so shell shocked by Miria's death, but has anyone brought up anything about wtf happened to Clare? I mean, it's obvious she's in that black thing but how exactly. Is she part of it now and has some control? (It started attacking Priscilla when she was attacking den and helen) Will she be able to come out of it with a full body? (As she was missing the bottom half of her body)
I mean, it's highly likely she'll survive since she is our main character but you really can't be certain of these things with the author (Forget his name atm, sorry). This could be the end. It could end next chapter with Clare dead but sacrificing her life to destroy priscilla and the black thing with one stone.
you know, you MAY be correct, and your theory seems plausible, but i really wish Clare survives and kicks Priscilla's ass in person :>
Is it just me.. or was Yagi's art pretty bad in the beginning and it slowly started to advance until it got really good.. but now the art seems a bit sloppy?
Like when it showed the new #10, her arms looked disproportional and didn't look too good..
And one of my favourite characters dies... Still, going against the organization alone (and with the "I won't kill their warriors" approach) there was no other option to end this realistically. Goodbye Miria.
This would be a poor way to kill her off. Seriously If she has to die at least lt it be a good legit death. I hate when stories kill people off in stupid ways. She was one of my fav characters too.
A man who knows nothing and says something IS the dumbest person alive. A man who knows something and says nothing could possibly be the smartest person in the world -Unknown
well she died stupidily but who cares. I'm more worried about the SLOOOOW pacing of this series? Can't the author at least reach 50-60 pages per chapter?
bla bla bla
The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.
Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard?
*it had the Twin Goddess of Love body
*it is a "messenger of despair"
*it has a massive power level, beyond Riful's and still growing at that point, and is a bit under Priscilla's power level currently.
pff... my favorite character dies like that...
Miria would never act that impulsively since she is the most intelligent character...I hate you nagi :[ ...
Now all I hope is that priscilla gets to the org and destroys everything (oh and makes the number 10 suffer...a lot)
Yagi wanted an epic death to one of his most fan-popular characters, as this is Claymore, RAWR!
Miria who, after killing her own beloved (Awakened) Hilda, VOWED revenge on the Organization but even more intently VOWED to do her very best and at spending the rest of her life, helping, protecting, and saving her fellow Claymores, would so brilliantly by Yagi, get ironically hacked into pieces by her very own fellow Claymores, that she had worked so hard for and cared so much about, in protecting and helping them stay alive. How cruel ironic of Yagi! How epic and brilliant a death scene by Yagi! What an author/writer/story teller Yagi is! WOW! :D
wakka9ca said: well she died stupidily but who cares. I'm more worried about the SLOOOOW pacing of this series? Can't the author at least reach 50-60 pages per chapter?
sooooo true
"Where will a newborn go from here? The net is vast and infinite" - Motoko Kusanagi
"I can't understand why she attacked the organization alone. She should have trusted her comrades... I wanna believe she's still alive..." - hirorient
Miria Analysis/Assessment and Eulogy:
(taken from another site, where I posted these)
Here's my analysis of Miria's decision to attack the Org HQs in chapter 107 and of Miria herself:
1. HK's "Eulogy" for Miria:
remember, from the moment that Miria was holding dead/dying Awakened Hilda in her arms, Miria VOWED REVENGE on the Organization. Just as Clare (and Ophelia) VOWED REVENGE on Priscilla. Just as Deneve+Helen VOWED REVENGE on Isley (though, as we know, they settled for letting the AFs/AEs gobble up Isley, as they also cared about the others survival, especially Clare's, even in defiance of Priscilla, lol).
Miria is willing to risk her life against the Organization, just as Clare was against Priscilla (willing to partially or even fully Awaken, and then to seemingly merge with the Destroyer), as Ophelia was to "pass on the torch of her revenge against Priscilla onto Clare", as Deneve+Helen were possibly (or at least at first) willing to die against Isley.
Miria is/was on a suicide/kamekaze "run" (attack) against the Organization, which is why she's doing it alone (as well as possibly having to kill humans or Claymores as well).
Yes, Miria's acting out of character, Miria's acting impulsively... just like Clare... LOL, but, this was her one chance, one oppertunity, one opening to do so, to strike at the Organization... or so she thought... Unfortunately... the Org wasn't actually vulnerable...
(makes me wonder if the Org intentionally made itself seem weak and vulnerable to lure/bait an attack on them, so they could kill their enemies... I mean why try to find your enemy when you can bait/lure them to come to you and into a trap as well...)
Isledebanas' response:
Even when Miria acts impulsively she still should have her intelligence. She has always been thoughtful and patient before. Miria is aware of the Org and what kind of tricks they had. She just recently learned from Dietrich that they have even more tricks that she never knew of, and those are just the ones that Dietrich told through Helen and Deneve. What in the world was she thinking to go there? The reasoning is poor and even Galatea said so and that all that awaited her was death. The point was Galatea couldn't do anything to stop her if she did she would get sliced up too. That whole slicing is even worse than what people supposedly think Clare did to Yuma.
This proves a theory I always had that Galatea is actually somewhat more intelligent than Miria. Part of intelligence is the ability to use knowledge that you have. Miria completely failed here. I did somewhat believe it to be true, but the extent of this is just too much.
HK's "Eulogy" for Miria continued (LOL):
Well, Miria herself, said for them all to go do whatever they need to do BEFORE THEY launch the attack on the Org, as it could very well be their deaths.
Clare and Deneve+Helen followed Miria's orders, but Miria herself violated her own orders, going off to take on the Organization all by herself, though she had a noble reason for doing so, even if it might have been strategically foolish, it was in caring about the others, and this is Miria's character. Miria has always cared the most about the other Claymores, more so than being calmly and intelligently rationale. Though, this has all been analyzed by Miria I'm sure, and she decided that with all of this and the Org's seeming vulnerability (with these new AFs/AEs away feasting on Isley and Alicia+Beth away as well), that it was the best most intelligent most rationale decision to attack the Organization all by herself, so she doesn't end up sacrificing the other Claymores (Ghosts) or having them to do what they shouldn't have to do (killing humans or other Claymores).
Personally, Miria is acting completely as she should as Miria should be acting. As much as she seems to be acting impulsively like Clare seems to act, Miria (and Clare too!) actually aren't acting impulsively, but extremely intelligently and rationally!
2. Miria's death: the IRONY !!!
Miria strived to protect and keep alive as many Claymores as she could, despite her YEARNING/CRAVING for REVENGE against the Org (she probably cares more about otehrs than do any of the other Claymores/Ghosts do), yet when she finally got her chance to get revenge on the Org, it was a mob of Claymores whom (seemingly) hack her into pieces, and not even the powerful Claymores at that... HOW CRUEL, hOW AWESOME, hehe !!!!!
I actually love how Yagi had her die... with her crying with that alienly happy face with those big open sparkly eyes of hers over "Hilda being alive" ...
brilliant! :D
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More Irony:
Miria dying to an illusion... Miria.... Thee Phantom Miria.... whom moves so fast, she creates "illusionary phantoms" behind her... dies to an illusionary phantom of her past...
oooohh the irony!
awesome! Yagi. brilliant!
3. I got a question for everyone:
What exactly do you think was Miria's plan/objective anyways at the HQs?
was she there to kill the Black Coats, or just a certain Black Coat (like maybe Rimuto the leader or whomever, maybe Dae?)? If so, then why didn't she (there was Rubel, and 2 other Black Coats outside with her)? Or for some reason, did she want to kill the Black Coats without the Claymores having to see it?
was she there to destroy the HQs itself or maybe their research, or lab, or whatever possibly inside the HQs?
or maybe something/someone else...?
maybe the origin of the Yoma itself (if there is such a thing).
why did she even bother with shortly-temporarily knocking/slicing unconscious with the Claymores, why'd she even engage with them... in the first place... why couldn't she just ignore and speed past them... ???
etc.. ??
4. maybe she just couldn't bare being separated from Hilda any longer, and wanted to join Hilda in "heaven", lol.
Maybe, this was a fake attack on the Org HQs, when it really was merely Miria's own funeral preparation for herself, with her putting on her old Claymore uniform, she she could die as a Claymore, and then join Hilda in death / "heaven".
5. I see this (Miria's choice to attack the Org) very differently:
A. Yes, the Org had these new AFs/AEs creations, BUT they were away from the Org HQs...
B. Yes, the Org had Alicia+Beth, but they were just felt/sensed "rushing by Rabona" towards the West, away from the Org HQs...
C. The Org no longer had Galatea, Miata, and Clarice (as they were with Miria in Rabona, lol), and thus away from the Org...
D. The Org no longer had Dietrich (rank 8), as she was at Rabona briefly, then probably seen/sensed going west. Dietrich was away from the Org HQs...
E. Miria had already encountered the Org's rank 3, 5, and 9, and they were laugable, and these were the Org's rank 3, 5, and 9 !!! Miria should have nothing to fear from the remaining Claymores..
ranks 1, 2, old 3, 4, 8, and 47 are NOT at the Org HQs
ranks 5 and new 3 are nothing to worry about for Miria
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so with all of this, it was Miria's one and only oppertunity to strike at the Org!
Miria's decision to attack was correct with what she knew. The Org HQs seemed completely vulnerable, weak, and unguarded. All of the Org's powerful Claymores/creations were away from their HQs.
Also, while going alone, might have been tactically stupid, she did so for noble reasons. She cared that much for the others.
Miria would probably have actually succeeded...
IF the Org didn't have the trainee Awakening Twins and Raftela.
This is NOT Miria's fault, as she didn't know that the Org could have had another Awakening Twins (in training) or Raftela (as NO ONE knew about Raftela... except Rubel... and the other Black Coats, of course too).
Miria's decision was perfect/correct with what she knew, unfortunately, due to what she didn't know, the Org HQs wasn't as vulnerable, weak, and unguarded as all indicators seemed to suggest...
6. About Miria putting on her old Claymore uniform:
who knows... lol
using it to sneak/trick is a good idea.
my own thoughts:
Miria went to destroy the Org (hopefully succesfully) and then planned to die/kill herself afterwards, to be with Hilda, lol.
Since Miria was probably planning to die after she destroyed the Org (or at least tried to detroy the org), she wanted to die as a CLAYMORE, so that's why she put on her old CLAYMORE uniform.
7. it might be like a soldier wanting to die in battle or at least with his uniform on... I see the same with Miria putting on her old CLAYMORE uniform...
Miria was probably thinking this:
"I WAS A CLAYMORE, WHOM TRIED TO KEEP MY FELLOW CLAYMORES ALIVE. THIS IS HOW I WANT TO DIE. THIS IS HOW I WANT TO BE REMEMBERED. THIS IS WHY I'M WEARING MY OLD CLAYMORE UNIFORM. BECAUSE I AM PROUD TO HAVE BEEN A CLAYMORE ALONG WITH EVERYONE ELSE WHOM HAS BEEN A CLAYMORE!"
8. the problem is, if not then, then never.... Miria also had to consider, that such an opportunity as this one, would never come by again, as well.
9. I doubt the Org would leave itself vulnerable, weak, and unguarded as it seemed to have been ever again, nor for that long either..
it was now or never for Miria...
(unfortunately, as we know... the Org wasn't so vulnerable, weak, or unguarded... in actuality, lol)
10. I'm sure Miria made this calculated risk, as I've tried to show it.
This was a now or never opportunity, as well as risky (as I'm sure she was worrying that the Org might indeed have some "secrets" still), but also so rewarding if she Org is indeed vulnerable, weak, and unguarded.
With all of these factors, considerations, and metrics, I feel Miria made the best decision that could be made. Miria made the right choice to go for it... and she probably actually would ahve been successful too even with the trainee Awakening Twins and Raftela... if she would have been able to bring Galatea, Tabatha, Miata, and Clarice with her!
Actually, the trainee Awakening Twins and Raftela, isn't that much of a "fortress/defense" for the Org HQs... it was enough for Miria going in solo.... but what if Miria took along the other Claymores in Rabona...
so, actually the Org was lucky... Miria went solo.
Though... maybe there's even more "Secrets"... beyond the trainee Awakening Twins and Raftela...
Rubel could always Awaken and pwn everyone, proving that I'm right that he's the real-true leader of the Organization, and a "god-being" of Awakeneds... hehe:D
no, this is the very first time, we learned of the unique rank 10 spot.
of which, the current rank 10 is Raftela.
there's seems to ahve been previous rank 10's but we don't know how long Raftela has been the rank 10. She was probably at least the rank 10 during Clare's Era as well.
(Don't confuse rank 10 Raf TELA with rank 1 Raf aela, as they're completely different Claymores, lol)
I did not see this coming. Not so soon anyway. Miria is one of the best characters in Claymore.
Attacking the organization alone was a bit out of character. She was always a tad more cautious and always looked for a way out of things if they got too hairy.
Helen and Deneve are going to be very upset. I wonder who will take her place
"Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii
There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov
In my opinion her downfall was obvious. No matter how smart she was, it was a stupid idea to attack the Organisation by herself. And eventually she turned out to be actually vulnerable to emotional attacks. Egh, I guess that she had it coming.
What I hated the most about this chapter is the fact that the Organisation has more twins in reserve.
I'm not surprised to see so many people hated the chapter.
I hated the way Miria acted here.
Actually I haven't been enjoying the story much since the introduction of mute demons and the death of the north king.
The irony, one of the coolest characters just died in a stupid way. She was overcome by her emotion. Her attack to the organization was stupid to begin with.
Just finished reading, very sad. She was definitely my best reason for reading this... Such a shame.. Hope avenge will prevail and vindicate her death... Or else, whatever...
MIRIA, NOOOOO... Oh man, what have they done? Now this is how characters should die, you know. That was painful, because it was so, so stupid and inneficient...
Shit, that was .. unexpected. And yet another favourite character of mine bites the dust, she really should’ve brought along one or two more with her. It’s as though she was clearly asking for it *weeps*
Damn the Organisation though, of course they would’ve something in their sleeves. Keeping the Number 10 reserved for backstabbers, they sure are cautious. Pitiful death considering Phantoms were her specialty though, ah this was .. not great. God, at least a different form of death than such a crude fashion fudge.
Deneve and Helen will become devastated if they learn of this, coupled with the shocking demise of Claire I mean.
