Kiznaiver Episode 8 Discussion

Thug_Gou said:

Anyway... the ep in a nutshell

THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SHIPPING CHART?!! WHOOOUUUAATT?! xD xD xD

Also, lol at Hisomu for putting a heart on Maki x Yuta <3 at least this ship is GOING STRONG! my shipper heart is safe （　´∀｀）☆

MoonStar9 said:


I'm expecting the Nico x Tenga ship to be shaken up next episode as well when he finds Chidori crying... He might even take it out on Katsuhira. Ah man, it's so messy. They just became friends.

nyancat2506 said:
Its funny how most people hates sonozaki but never really question much how she become like that.

Knowing your emotion and understand how u're suppose to feel (despise getting rejected) is way better than knows what the feeling is but cant feel and understand it.

It's already hinted in the first place how agata and nori chan was connected as kizna (most prolly first batch) of the experiment. Something might had happened ( i assume there prolly was death) in the past that turn nori chan and agata into emotionless robot. but somehow, from the flashback, a few things i notice :

1. Agata wasn't as emotionless as he used to be back then while Nori is always the same (emotionless)
2. It looks like the other kid either isolate nori chan or agata.
3. based on what the sensei told, positive feeling are harder to connect - somehow it bring much more intense pressure, and bad things wil happen ( i assume what actually happened back then is agata had feeling towards nori, there might be jealousy from other people )
4. why did nori chan wanna jump from a higher place anywhere? most probably she was dead, and because of the intense feeling from agata to nori chan is too strong that somehow it revive nori chan - with half of their memory missing?
5. is that also the reason why agata hair turn white? and when agata save nori chan, the scar was glowing or am i blind?

ofcourse, we would assume and judge so many things of what had happened to nori chan but so far the worst thing that ever happen to chidori is her love was not returned back by agata ( the emotionless part was probably,might be part o nori chan consciousness that was transferred from her to him if their feeling are really strongly connected)

idk bout u guys but i feel chidori is a bit selfish . probably nori chan also and same goes for agata. i was just assuming :D



isn't it sad, not being able to understand your own feelings?

AttackOnWaifu said:
Not gonna lie, as a girl I always get giddy over "romance" plots. However I've found that overall, Anime is terrible with romance. Usually Romance in anime devolves into three things:

I. No resolution: There is a lot of implying. "Will they wont they". In some cases someone will actually make a move and we are lucky if we get an actual confession. But the end result is always the same, we never get to see anyone together. We never actually get to see the resolution to the romance, and it's completely unsatisfying.

II. Shipping Fan Service: Basically, convoluted shipping, just for the sake of teasing fans. Usually this kind of shipping is terrible, because it doesn't really care about "plot" or "character development". So couples will be paired, regardless if they have chemistry or not, or if the plot even builds up to it. Fuck it, just imply it because fans will love it. Usually this kind of romance ends up with "no resolution", or they will eventually land with couples "paired off" because they have to. Some fans will be really happy since their ship succeeded, others will be angry/upset. But in the end it doesn't really matter, since this kind of storytelling, means the romance isn't as fleshed out and is less believable/satisfying (character/plot is sacrificed for gimmicks).

III. Melodrama: When anime does drama, it can get dark. But usually its a lot of melodrama. A love triangle, cheating, angsty teens. Usually revolves around an idiotic MC. But it's pretty much a drawn out romance usually in a love triangle. When they decide to be dark, it usually involves cheating, or someone witnessing the one they love end up with someone else. I actually give Anime credit for this, because Romance isn't always clean and Disney Fantasy. People are complex, and romance has extreme highs and lows. That said, I don't want to watch a movie about a slow and painful divorce. The same reason I don't want to watch someone getting cheated on. It's just not very pleasant.

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I feel like Kiznaiver will probably fall into II. and probably dip half way into I. People need to remember this is Studio Trigger. They don't tend to be that serious, and most romance stuff is usually treated as over the top and comedic (with some slight melodrama dashed in there).

Personally?

I don't like Chidori and Tenga at all. Tenga is my favorite character, but I feel like he can do way better. Then again, I really don't like Chidori. I actually find her character annoying (and so in a way, her and MC actually kind of make sense together due to their plot/personality). I feel like Tenga would have worked much more with a stronger female lead, rather then the childhood friend that is hopelessly in love with her...childhood friend.

But plot/tropes aside, I just don't think they have any chemistry at all. It's one of these cases where I feel like Chidori being with Tenga would make him worse. Hell, I actually think any plot revolving around Tenga going after her makes his character worse, and he could be used so much better.

That said, IMO it's so obvious that Chidori will end up with Tenga. They wouldn't bother introducing that mystery girl and her connection to MC. Or the fact that MC is always chasing after something else, and his lack of "feelings" as a story telling device, purposefully blocks him from Chidoris feelings. There is also no reason to have a plot where Tenga pursues her, unless they are going for a plot where he just accepts someone he likes, loves someone else. But I'm not really feeling that as a plot set up, and just don't really see them going that way. It seems more likely that Chidori ends up settling with Tenga (in this case Tenga is much better then MC, I just mean settle in that, she gives up the person she really loves).

If this is a Two-Cour series (havent been paying attention to the news), then they will probably set up Chidori starting to look at Tenga in the finale (he will save her, or say something that makes her look at him). Then the next half of the series will be her eventually going over to him. That's my prediction anyways.

I can't say I'm too fond of the romance in this show, mostly because I'm not really feeling the characters Chemistry. So it seems kind of like a gimmick. I'm actually totally okay with Shipping/gimmicks if the shows tone matches it. Studio Trigger is really over the top, so this kind of shipping fan service can actually be quite fun. But in this case, I feel like it's sort of making characters worse (or is being a distraction). I understand why MC is the way he is, because they actually a semi-plot/exposition to explain it. But bleh, I just can't stand MC's that are basically vanilla. I suppose that is another problem I have, since the main romance in the show revolves around him (or rather, him being completely disconnected from it). I would think by this point, Chidori would just give up. Especially since in Episode 2 she said "she used to love him" not that she still loves him. Basically implying that she loved the old version of himself (the version that had been lost). I thought that her plot was going to be her coming to acceptance that she can't get back the old person she loved. But I dunno. I guess Tenga possibly could be the crutch for that plot. But gah. I really do not like them together.

- Fangirl Rant

(I know, no one will read this wall of text).

Specimen021 said:
I honestly did not notice earlier, that Nico liked Tenga. Was it not hinted enough, or am I just clueless? Not that I really dislike the concept.

Rei_III said:
First reaction: wow, sudden story drop! That's not elegant but that was certainly needed at this point (8/13). The teenagers crushes,though...

Forcing collaboration and/or conflicts between the characters... all that was to force teenies crushes ? I have nothing against love stories, not even Newtypish sudden love stories but all this seems kind of... pointless. Wasn't this experimentation started to fight against wars (bad human relationships)? I don't see how nurturing jealousy and false love are answers to this problem.

3.5/5 because there is finally some trace of a story (despite it being only a vague excuse to display adolescent "sentimental" reactions.