Shibou Yuugi de Meshi wo Kuu. Episode 7 Discussion

Boy that towel was on tight. Couldn't really understand what was going on and so took a look at the manga, and I have to say I am not a fan of this anymore. The manga is normal and this show just tries to cheap out by pretending to be "stylish", which really sucks as they are leaving out a ton and changing lots of things. Especially this episode. Disappointing.

@mikasareads The floor is electrocuted, You can see cotton there, In LN it was explained that three people had died there before mishiro woke up, Its shown here and then she took charge as the leader, The shoes are electric proof and if u try to cross without them you get shot. Riko died of electrocution...

@FandomLasts4ever I know what you mean it tries to be artistic thats good and all, and ppl will be mad if I say it but you need to know the proper balance between artistic and giving room for people to understand sh!t. I also read LN and was like okie they skipped a lot for the sake of making yukki be mysterious and sh!t. I wanted to see the one player that survived after the game for a month eating grass and then ultimately dying, but that was skipped but stupid orange girl from the first chapter of this arcgot adapted...

@Rexnihilo We got to see Azuma die though, We see her corpse as mishiro is waking to a tied up Yukki, Riko left Yukki alive for mishiro...

@aldra77 Nah, Its just that mishiro has been grinding and playing more than Yukki

@RealNath Riko didnt get shot, Yuki pushed Riko and Riko got electrocuted... The guns are there for players who try to cross to exit without wearing the shoes from the lockers...

@uselessDM Spoiler: She can get an prosthetic like mishiro got of her arm and Riko got o fall of her limbs giving her super human strength...

@MenchiK1 Light Novel is superior to both adaptions, Characters are better drawn out

@Phantom_373 Candle Woods is the Gold D. Roger of Shiboyugi, Every previous game is pre Candle Wood And Every game after that is post Candle Wood...

@RobertBobert I know, You know

@Ranma-Kun Yuki took Mishiro's tag which Riko was holding on to while waiting for her after qriko died, But its more likely that Yukki just yanked Rikos shoes and wore them herself...

@DeityNyxCiara-_- i don't remember so wanted to make sure. Didn't Riko not fight Yuki in the LN? She suicide rushed the entrance with Azuma and some girls, then got cut off by Mishiro where they got overwhelmed by numbers. I forget if they only spared Yuki or if she managed to wriggle her way out and then they had the one on one. Because i don't remember what happened to the other girls with Mishiro after the suicide rush.

Too lazy to go search for it within the volume. Hope you can clarify.

I came to find out exactly this. But this episode left so many holes that no one even talks about main question from previous episode.

Anyway this episode was complete garbage and after reading above comments I might get just drop this style over substance adaptation and read the novel.

I dont get it why people saying this eps is trash because it was different from the LN because from eps 1... it was very clear for me if this adaptation will be a different story compared to LN. and i also dont get it why people saying this eps/anime is bad because its NOT CLEAR enough for them.

Tiring ep

Surprised that Yuki would be in the same situation that Mishiro was in the previous game that they were in together.

40 to 30 games, which one is it? We are just going back and forth. Kinda sped past that huh.

Mishiro really hates herself for losing to Yuki the first time.

Their squabble was quite intense, but damn Riko strong asl.

Riko did all that glaze just to get herself killed.

Yuki got sum insane plot armor tho.

Mishiro was a meh antagonist, but wasn't too bad.

6.5/10

I guess I'd never find out what she didn't realise last episode, I assume it was another way to get into their area.

Mishiro managed to play and beat another 30+ before Yuuki beat 10 or so, how quickly were her games?

I don't get that relevance of Mishiro father making that call 2 episodes ago, if not to help Mishiro get out, maybe it was a setup to get her killed so she wouldn't get revenge?

I expected there to be more of a reason why Mishiro was coughing up blood, was it a final mission? Would likely be the reason why she told Riko to leave without her. But why did she ask Riko to also take her place and kill Yuuki if she lost? She wanted a fair fight, guess it was just pure hatred for Yuuki.

The good thing about this episode was that Yuuki can lose in a fight. Her wanting to live was actually pretty good character development, but I guess she gonna keep playing more games? Also I could listen to that OP and ED throughout the episode. Good to know the agents play a bigger role in these game, but hesitant to believe it actually matters. Almost like they gave up explaining how she lives and just said great RNG with the bullet being blocked by the card.

I can only pray all this stuff actually matters later on.

Well...
I still would not know anything, if not for you guys here. The previous games explained the minimum to understand what is going on. This was just watching some random people doing random things and it endede somehow.

I really didn't like how Yuuki behaved after her team was slaughtered. I would have thought, that after a quick pause (for thinking, mourning) she would take up the fight even if captured.
What we got here, was a brand new character, who lost her drive. I understand 30 games and whatnot, but in the first game they showed us, she killed Kinko after a split second meaning she is ruthless if it comes to her survival.
After Mishiro let her loose, I thought she has a plan to turn it around. But no. Somehow she became a standard background character, like the ones who die in the first episodes.

Until now I enjoyed this anime, but now. What will we see in the next ones? Yuuki going back into survival mode, or staying like she was now. If latter I will probably drop this.

But the whole story looks interesting for me, so the people who read the LN could give a reply if it is worth reading?

I had a hard time really getting into the emotions of this episode. Yuuki’s change feels far too abrupt. I feel like it might have helped to see her get relentlessly beaten by Riko before Mishiro confronts her. It’s hard to believe that Yuuki hasn’t been through tough times in the previous games, and so far she’s seemed like she might get desperate, but not helplessly panicked like we see her here. I get that it’s a reveal of her true feelings and humanity, but to me it came off as too sudden and forced.

Also wtf is Riko? It really took some superhuman killer loli that appeared out of nowhere last episode to drive Yuuki into a corner? It feels lazy, her mistake in the previous episode is irrelevant because it looks like against that monster everyone would’ve been killed anyway. Furthermore, time constraints of the adaptation be damned, Riko has zero development to make me feel anything about her besides confusion. I’m sure there would have been better ways to have Yuuki mess up, suffer for it, get desperate and survive only by Mishiro’s obsession and dumb luck.

The game is shit (Yuuki agrees lol) and the previous episode was hectic, but at least it was coherent and nothing very significant happened, the twist at the end hit its mark. This episode had extremely impactful and emotional events that I want to like; I think the underlying ideas for the story and characters were great, but they were underdeveloped and the execution felt lacklustre. Maybe it was originally written this way, maybe too much had to be cut, or maybe the direction was just a little bit too artsy for once (I’ve loved the style so far). Unfortunately, to me this climactic episode felt like the weakest so far.

I really hope for Yuuki's sake that she can acquire and have fitted some form of prosthetic fingers or alternative to her mangled hand, given the dexterity and grip strength and flexibility required to better navigate the game's various physical locations (or "set" of the reality TV shows, if you want to think of it that way).



I haven't commented much on this series, yet it's one I've been consistently watching and I'm no stranger to authoring long posts on this forum, so just wanted to say, you summed up my thoughts quite precisely. Despite making long posts on the forum fairly often I didn't feel like writing at the moment, so gratitude extended for saving my fingers and keystrokes. I would have been here all night if I started to try to cover everything that annoyed me about how things in this episode went down.

It felt decent, but carried on the strength of its concepts and ideas rather than actual execution in practice - a common pitfall and fate for a lot of series - and individual episodes of otherwise good or great series like this one, which fall short and miss the mark. Decent/serviceable, but weaker than every other episode which preceded it.

I also feel like everything revolving around Mishiro and the conflict with Mishiro could have been much better built up if this series were far longer and there was a lot more time and space between the game where they first met and this one than one episode (or wasn't there not even one full episode between the end of the last game and the episode in which she was reintroduced at the end of the next episode after that game?). Offscreen time passed doesn't count in the same way.

Well, I've never seen a series yet in which I didn't like some episodes better than others or consider certain episodes better or worse than others and this is no exception.

@FlopDob I would thread through some of the comments here. The entire arc was changed and Yuki was NOT like this. It was more she was vexed and frustrated than fear. She only felt the will to survive once Mishiro sorta snapped her out of it at the end.

So err.... what tf was with Riko? Am I suffering from short-term amnesia or was it never explained or shown why this twig of a girl can pick someone twice her size up with one hand and toss her around like a doll? It feels extremely cheap and nonsensical that there's suddenly a terminator loli who can manhandle the protagonist.
Mishiro was done away with in a rather meh manner too imo. So far, despite the extremely strong start, it really feels like this anime is more style than substance lately.

I really hope for Yuuki's sake that she can acquire and have fitted some form of prosthetic fingers or alternative to her mangled hand, given the dexterity and grip strength and flexibility required to better navigate the game's various physical locations (or "set" of the reality TV shows, if you want to think of it that way).



I haven't commented much on this series, yet it's one I've been consistently watching and I'm no stranger to authoring long posts on this forum, so just wanted to say, you summed up my thoughts quite precisely. Despite making long posts on the forum fairly often I didn't feel like writing at the moment, so gratitude extended for saving my fingers and keystrokes. I would have been here all night if I started to try to cover everything that annoyed me about how things in this episode went down.

It felt decent, but carried on the strength of its concepts and ideas rather than actual execution in practice - a common pitfall and fate for a lot of series - and individual episodes of otherwise good or great series like this one, which fall short and miss the mark. Decent/serviceable, but weaker than every other episode which preceded it.

I also feel like everything revolving around Mishiro and the conflict with Mishiro could have been much better built up if this series were far longer and there was a lot more time and space between the game where they first met and this one than one episode (or wasn't there not even one full episode between the end of the last game and the episode in which she was reintroduced at the end of the next episode after that game?). Offscreen time passed doesn't count in the same way.

Well, I've never seen a series yet in which I didn't like some episodes better than others or consider certain episodes better or worse than others and this is no exception.

Yuki is so boring man, these death games are so boring as well, interesting characters that are trying to win dies but these dead boring emotionless characters win by plot armor after plot armor

I'm glad I didn't read the LN ahead, I would surely have been disappointed, and now very low expectations in wood candle

that was like not even a fight but a dance choreography, it's so lame, and as for Riko not a even gunshot sound, come on you cannot be this lazy

This episode had a lot to unpack, and it was one of the most intense episodes of the anime so far.

The episode starts with Riko's backstory, and we can finally understand why she likes Mishiro so much. It's interesting how Mishiro was able to create a killing machine out of Riko, as a plan B in case she wasn't able to kill Yuki.

It was honestly shocking how after that backstory they cut to some girls leaving the game (but not Yuki) and then show the corpses of every girl from Yuki's team, while Yuki herself was waiting to be killed. After the episode from last week, obviously things weren't going well, but having such a tragic outcome came as a surprise honestly.

I feel the the episode had a really artistic approach to Yuki and Mishiro's rivalry and how that made Yuki feel. For the first time in the series, we see Yuki in despair, not wanting to die. They once again showed that the opening for the anime is actually Yuki's perspective, and how it's almost a suicide attempt from her, as the opening ends when one of the cars comes close to the POV, symbolizing how lifeless Yuki feels, but we didn't see that here. If anything, this revenge from Mishiro woke up Yuki's will to continue living.
The whole sequence between Mishiro and Yuki felt tense, but at the same time, quite personal for the 2 characters.

In the end, Yuki was able to win, but at what cost? It seems she's even more troubled now than when she had to kill Kinko, and she also lost 3 fingers, a mark to remind her of this bad game that she played badly.

One thing that they really didn't explain was how the guns worked when Riko was fighting Yuki. What needed to be done for them to fire? Since Yuki clearly planned to make Riko go after her, knowing she would be able to protect herself from that shot, using that gold chip, so she knew how they activated.

Also, while I liked the decision to not show directly the outcome of Mishiro and Yuki's fight, by cutting to Yuki arriving at the final room, where Riko was waiting for Mishiro, using that again when Riko started attacking Yuki felt a bit too much, and it just made the narrative a bit more confusing, by always jumping from place to place, and in this case I don't think it contributed to much.

It also seems Yuki was the last one to wake up this game due to some external influence... Probably due to the pill she took at the beginning of the game, that wasn't the "usual" one, so her agent is clearly hiding something... It seems like the higher-ups wanted to make Yuki at a disadvantage for some reason, maybe because it was her 30th game.
Also, it's impressive how Mishiro had already completed 40 games by now.

I'm really curious to see how Yuki's character will react to everything that happened this game, since she almost died by letting the "30th game curse" affect her, and I'm also curious to see what's the overall plot behind these games, and how "Kinko's father" will be able to put a stop at that, since he didn't do much this game (maybe he was the reason why Yuki was the last one to wake up...).

This anime is really being quite an unique experience.

Edit: Forgot to mention, but it was a bit depressing how Riko's efforts to make Mishiro's plan succeed led to her getting killed, so the so called "successor" didn't really live that much longer than Mishiro.

The animation seemed a bit more spotty this episode, still good but some scenes were a bit more awkward. The scene of Yuki being chased by Mishiro, desperately wanting to live especially stood out to me as off. Also it seems Azuma got off-screened which is disappointing, the previous episode set her up as a major player in this game but she was entirely absent this episode, only getting a mention as Yuki ruminated post-game.

What a fucking arc....wow...just fucking wow. Yuki got very lucky.

So that's what the agent meant about causing unwanted anxiety for Yuki and her waking up late in all games is that also part of a test or did she wake up even more late in this game than the other games ?

I'll finish it cause I already wasted my time but this is some seriously weenie-hut emo Hop Topic ass bitchmade stuff. I hate how this is directed. I know the source is a LN but even the manga seems better than this. Every fucking character in this show acts like a robot. Nobody is likable. Anyone could die and I won't care. They're all so mopey and boring. "I wanna win 99 games" could have fooled me cause you're such a sad sack of shit all the time hard to believe you care about anything.

@Ahohite-killer Shame. Mishiro was my favorite character. I DO like how Yuki feels more interesting now though. Otherwise, can't say I vibe with this show well even now. I'm mostly watching for the discussions at this point.

@KOTFTW I was also hoping for there to be more about the ambush. Having the big how could I not have noticed moment gets comical if it was simply that the wall was shit.

So Yuki wins a 50-50 knife fight she only got to have because Mishiro's inferiority complex stopped her from killing her easily when she had the opportunity. Then she survives a gunshot because a tag took the bullet for her, and she is also now missing three fingers.

I feel like now is a great time to quite while she's ahead because surely she has used all of her luck. Who am I kidding? MC plot armour is a powerful thing.

@PokefanPT This is actually one of the weakest episodes for LN readers.

An explanation for anime onlies (This episode really changes a lot of stuff from manga/LN for the worse):

The game was designed to basically be impossible and unfair for Yuki and favored Mishiro heavily with all her allies, including Riko who was basically a literal terminator with her metal limbs. Yuki was already affected by her weaker mental state & the drug so she missed a couple things that were uncharacteristic for her, which highlight her frustrations at her own poor play (by her ridiculous standards) later when she is confronted by Mishiro.

Yuki realizes too late that there's 2 baths, and thus 100 total players instead of 50. The baths only connect at the entrance (where Mishiro is camping), and at the open air bath on the opposite side of the building (where Yuki is). She initially thought it was 30 people against her small group (who are less than 20), but there were actually 70 people, so there was no way to beat an army like that who have already occupied the whole building aside from her one bath, no matter how good a player she is. So that means she essentially made a suicide plan with her small team that got wiped out.

Mishiro sends a team led by Riko to ambush them by scaling the wall between the two sides of the open air bath. This results in most of the allies wiped out and all of their keys being stolen. At this point their only options are to stay and die or suicide rush the girls at the entrance and hope for the best.

Yuki, Azuma, and a few others volunteer to start running to the entrance but get intercepted by Mishiro and her team who outnumbered them from the get-go (70 people on her side by the time Yuki woke up), who trip and drown everyone but Yuki because Mishiro commanded them to stand down. Mishiro tells them not to interfere in their 1v1 even if Mishiro were to drown. Mishiro and Yuki have their final showdown, which ends with Yuki stabbing Mishiro through the neck.

At the entrance, Yuki finds Riko waiting. They have a brief conversation and then a fight where Yuki just gets bodied because Riko has prosthetic metal limbs that easily break Yuki's arms. Keep in mind Yuki's right leg is also injured from previous altercation (she never gets "captured" by Riko like it's implied at end of episode 6 or beginning of episode 7)

In a last ditch effort, Yuki puts on the rubber shoes from an already unlocked locker to cross the electrified floor (the entrance mentioned earlier and it's the place you're asking about with the guns and electrified floor), and Riko pursues her on all fours wearing shoes on her hands and feet. Yuki kicks up a corpse that had been shot and electrified earlier for trying to leave without the right shoes, and it makes contact with Riko and the floor, allowing current to pass through her body and kill her, which is especially effective due to her metal limbs.

Yuki then leaves the building, but without three of her fingers, which fell off and got zapped while she was fighting Riko, so now Yuki has to get prosthetic fingers before her next game. The conversation Yuki has with her agent implies that her late start was a consequence of accidentally swallowing the transmitter from Kinko's dad, since it had to be removed first.

The anime changed/cut a good bit of this, especially the fight with Riko. They also cut a lot of exposition with Yuki's frustration at Mishiro having overcome the wall of thirty and reaching 40 games while Mishiro is furious about Yuki's terrible game. She was pissed at how vulnerable Yuki was and unwilling to kill her b/c she wanted to face off against the invincible superhuman Yuki, but it was nowhere near as merciful as in the anime where there were so many chances to just off Yuki.

Also read LyeW's comment on this thread as well
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?goto=post&topicid=2253498&id=73879853

@lolmeme69 i'd recommend the novels....if not, the manga at least does a better job. Idk why they chose to adapt the story this way. They either replaced content for the worse or took out a lot of stuff that was important. That includes what makes the 1st two volumes (what the anime is adapting this season) so compelling, which is Yuki's perspective, personality, inner thoughts, & motivations of the other characters.

See comment here for summary of how this arc actually went down
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?goto=post&topicid=2253498&id=73910084

How did the loli (wo)manhandle the other girl who could fight and yuki at the same time? Didn't they run back together?

More character growth as always felt like a odd way to end there battle honestly expected it to last longer also spoilers for Danganronpa 3 so don’t read past this part if you want to play that but how she was running saying I refuse to die reminded me of death of the maid in Danganronpa I wonder if they took inspiration from it or if it’s just a coincidence

what an insane plot armor and also the not really good one.

good visual & animation nevertheless.

i wasn't expecting yuuki to be defeated off-screen and tied up
it was really pathetic, like mishiro was saying, and i was kind of embarrassed to see her performing so poorly
i realized then though, this anime isn't about an emotionless girl who dominates death games, it's about a messed-up world

Yeah I normally don't mind the artsy stuff but in this case it might have been nice if they spent a little less time on the long atmospheric pauses and a little more time explaining or even hinting at what was going on... This was confusing as heck and I see I'm not the only one who thought so.